Gym And Supplement Discussion

[bozodos]

you just wouldn't get it unless you trained at PTC

[-FIGJAM-]

this thread needs more talk about supplements

[bozodos]

I've had several friends spruiking the benefits of having large amounts of fish oil for calorie burning recently, I'm not convinced (and the science is fairly inconclusive too.)

[Frosty]

I've had several friends spruiking the benefits of having large amounts of fish oil for calorie burning recently, I'm not convinced (and the science is fairly inconclusive too.)

fish oil is win! 2 - 6 tablets a day helps with the inflamation of joints etc i find and so do a lot of people that use it....tho as you say not much conclusive testing apart from they "apparently" cause cancers etc

[Trozzle]

Isn't fish oil just fats, as far as simple macros go? Not discrediting how much some people seem to benefit from it, but the calorie burning concept seems similar to the "eat celery to burn calories" bullshit haha

[bozodos]

I agree that it helps, i I have one Blackmores triple concentrated capsule a day to help with joints and generally wellbeing (which it does). I'm not sold on it burning calories via excessive consumption though. Just found it as laughable as a colleague going on a HCG diet of 500 calories a day (+homeopathic drops LOL) and boasting about losing 4.4kg in a week.

[Trozzle]

I agree that it helps, i I have one Blackmores triple concentrated capsule a day to help with joints and generally wellbeing (which it does). I'm not sold on it burning calories via excessive consumption though. Just found it as laughable as a colleague going on a HCG diet of 500 calories a day (+homeopathic drops LOL) and boasting about losing 4.4kg in a week.

The f**k is he on a HCG diet for? lol has someone been on the juice...

[Frosty]

Isn't fish oil just fats, as far as simple macros go? Not discrediting how much some people seem to benefit from it, but the calorie burning concept seems similar to the "eat celery to burn calories" bullshit haha

ive personally never heard of people using them for that factor of burning calories tho ever.

but on the other note you are right just OMEGA-3 DHA/EPA. great for all round body health including cardiovascular etc

Edited August 28, 2013 by Frosty

[Frosty]

I agree that it helps, i I have one Blackmores triple concentrated capsule a day to help with joints and generally wellbeing (which it does). I'm not sold on it burning calories via excessive consumption though. Just found it as laughable as a colleague going on a HCG diet of 500 calories a day (+homeopathic drops LOL) and boasting about losing 4.4kg in a week.

that bold section scares me a little, given that the BMR is more thank likely double that and they are not taking BCAA to stop muscle breakdown.

[markos]

Absolute failure.

We have 3 strengths, the ability to raise a weight, the ability to hold a weight and the ability to lower a weight. Positive, Static and Negative

So to do a set to absolute failure, you rep until you fail, then someone raises the bar for you to lockout, lower it half way, hold it until you cant stop it lowering. Then raise it back to the top again and lower the bar slow and controlled, when you can no longer lower the bar controlled, usually 1-2 reps, you have reached absolute (muscular) failure.

The best lifters I've seen can do reps when an average lifter has stopped long ago. Most have pre conceived ideas of how strong or weak they are and "know" when they will fail, history tells them so.

I often watch an average lifter miss a rep he should never have missed, but mentally he was done. I'm lucky I get to work with some incredible lifters and get to see this stuff, I cant ever recall seeing it in a commercial gym, and I worked and trained in them for 25 years.

Thats why I said this discussion is not for here. It actually doesnt need to be either, this is simply a regular gym goers discussion board

[bozodos]

yep HCG diet, google it, I tried to inform the poor guy on what the risks are of eating that little and that its been widely discredited, but he was utterly convinced and refused to listen so I'm now curious to see how it affects him over the month or so he's on this stupid calorie restriction for.

Interesting take Markos, and you're right, I don't think most of us really have the knowledge to do that kind of thing effectively in our commercial 'pleasure spa' gyms. I usually take an inability to actually move the weight any further as a failure myself. That and trying to balance being able to complete the entire workout!

Edited August 28, 2013 by bozodos

[No Crust Racing]

Makes sense Marko.

[TM7GTR]

Has anyone heard of the supplement Cissus Quadrangularis?

Bulk nutrients threw in a free container of it with my order. So far I've read it promotes healthy joints and healthy bones, although some sources say it has been proven to slow the process of catabolism. Haha insight please.

[markos]

I have a female client, trained for 5 weeks. Last week she benched a very easy 55kg, I took off the small plates, put on a 20kg plate to make it 60kg and it buried her.

Five days latter, I progressively load the bar with small plates, get up to 60kg, told her it was 50kg and to only do 1 rep. She smashes it. I ask her to rest and we'll try again before going to 60kg. She smashes it again. She asks if we are going to 60kg now. I tell her shes just done it, twice. Everyone watching was laughing at her.

I first encountered this phenomena when I was around 22yo with a training partner who was mentally weak.

I've been using it on weak clients for decades

[Frosty]

Has anyone heard of the supplement Cissus Quadrangularis?

Bulk nutrients threw in a free container of it with my order. So far I've read it promotes healthy joints and healthy bones, although some sources say it has been proven to slow the process of catabolism. Haha insight please.

from what i am aware highly experimental still at this stage and is a plant extract from africa?. Someone may be able to elaborate a bit more on it tho

[Trozzle]

Absolute failure.

We have 3 strengths, the ability to raise a weight, the ability to hold a weight and the ability to lower a weight. Positive, Static and Negative

So to do a set to absolute failure, you rep until you fail, then someone raises the bar for you to lockout, lower it half way, hold it until you cant stop it lowering. Then raise it back to the top again and lower the bar slow and controlled, when you can no longer lower the bar controlled, usually 1-2 reps, you have reached absolute (muscular) failure.

The best lifters I've seen can do reps when an average lifter has stopped long ago. Most have pre conceived ideas of how strong or weak they are and "know" when they will fail, history tells them so.

I often watch an average lifter miss a rep he should never have missed, but mentally he was done. I'm lucky I get to work with some incredible lifters and get to see this stuff, I cant ever recall seeing it in a commercial gym, and I worked and trained in them for 25 years.

Thats why I said this discussion is not for here. It actually doesnt need to be either, this is simply a regular gym goers discussion board

I think this post hit the nail on the head and explained it perfectly

I have a female client, trained for 5 weeks. Last week she benched a very easy 55kg, I took off the small plates, put on a 20kg plate to make it 60kg and it buried her.

Five days latter, I progressively load the bar with small plates, get up to 60kg, told her it was 50kg and to only do 1 rep. She smashes it. I ask her to rest and we'll try again before going to 60kg. She smashes it again. She asks if we are going to 60kg now. I tell her shes just done it, twice. Everyone watching was laughing at her.

I first encountered this phenomena when I was around 22yo with a training partner who was mentally weak.

I've been using it on weak clients for decades

I've used this method on a mate before lol. Tell them it's X weight, when in fact it's Y. They know they can lift X, but they're sure they can't lift Y (hence they've never managed it before). Nek minnit they bust out Y like it's nothing. The look on their face when you tell them they just pulled off what they were positive they couldn't is hilarious.

I'm mentally weak a lot of the time, and I think this is where a training partner is a massive assistance just by being there.

[No Crust Racing]

I can see benefit in a training partner sometimes, especially when wanting to go to failure.

Here's something I've found and I'd say is either not enough sleep/food or not good enough mental conditioning.

Just say I've been struggling to get more than 4-5 reps at a given weight on the final set, I'll move that set to the second set and get all reps, not a big deal right as you have more in the tank than you would normally as you've moved that set forward. Then I'll add more weight for the final set and get say 5-6 reps.

From that point forward, almost everytime I lift, I will never again make 5-6 reps at that final weight, it'll be more like 4 and fail 5. Yet I've done it before, straight up. To me that says the mental block is a powerful one. I've gone in saying I know I can do 7 this time I will do 7 this time, but come that 5th rep attempt there's nothing there.

Frustrating. So then I'll move that set to the second set, get the full rep range and the cycle starts again lol.

I gave up a while back on the idea that I had to get the full amount of reps on the highest weight before I could add more.

[bozodos]

to put this in perspective, I only was going to do a 95kg bench press the other day, until my buddies said nah you can smash out 2 plates no problems! Sure enough, I smashed out the whole set of 100 just as easily.

[-FIGJAM-]

definatley sounds like a mental thing Dan.

Maybe not getting enough rest in between either sets or workout days as well

[Dani Boi]

Markos what's your opinion on madcows 5x5?