Gym And Supplement Discussion

[L33SH]

Wow Boz that's pretty strong well done!

[tweety bird]

Tiredness at the gym and finding a solution here is as good as going to doctor and saying I feel crap give me some meds. Can you be more specific?

When do you go to the gym? After work? How often do you go? What exercises do you do? What is the last meal you have before gym? What do you eat over an average day? Are you dieting? How much sleep do you get of a night and do you feel it is enough for you?

All factors that will influence this and there's plenty more.

Ok, I'll come back in here when I'm back in albury and I can give more info.

[Birds]

Ok, I'll come back in here when I'm back in albury and I can give more info.

Good man. In the end there's only so much you can offer someone in a solution before they have to experiment themselves and know their body well enough to know what is wrong or where they can improve. One of the things that good lifters do well with experience!

[bozodos]

Cheers Leesh - fwiw, I think that the assisted chin / dip machine that I've been using for the past year is only helpful until a certain point rather than just slowly building up reps on the whole movements.

[rev210]

I think you might have misunderstood what I meant..

DC training, when compared to many other "hypertrophy specific protocols", tends to also increase your strength much better than those same "body builder" routines.

I'm basing that claim off of the multitude of DC training logs on the internet, my own experience, experiences of people over at T-Nation forums, friends that have taken up the program, and my brother.

Walking is not running. Strong is strong.

I am not trying to position to say DC wont work just it doesnt look like it would the right program for a strength goal. But perhaps you have some strength examples that could help clarify.You posted a vid of an overhead press, does the DC training system mean you and your mates can easily clean press atleast your own bodyweight? That would indicate your claim has some salt to it.(quantify)

Edited May 3, 2014 by rev210

[France]

I am not trying to position to say DC wont work just it doesnt look like it would the right program for a strength goal. But perhaps you have some strength examples that could help clarify.You posted a vid of an overhead press, does the DC training system mean you and your mates can easily clean press atleast your own bodyweight? That would indicate your claim has some salt to it.(quantify)

The guy in the OHP is Jeremy Hamilton, a top level powerlifter. He does his own programming, not some mediocre "bodybuilding" routine

[Dajae]

Walking is not running. Strong is strong.

I am not trying to position to say DC wont work just it doesnt look like it would the right program for a strength goal. But perhaps you have some strength examples that could help clarify.You posted a vid of an overhead press, does the DC training system mean you and your mates can easily clean press atleast your own bodyweight? That would indicate your claim has some salt to it.(quantify)

I'll try this for a 3rd time

I'm not saying DC training would be your 'go to' choice if you had strength goals in mind.

Let's say we have two guys. For the sake of this example, everything about them is the same. Both are looking at gaining muscle, and to be aesthetically pleasing. These are their main goals. John does a typical, "body building" routine, such as a body part split (chest, back, legs, arms, shoulders, etc). James does DC training.

After a year, they compare. James has more muscle mass than John. James is also stronger.

All I'm saying, is that compared to your run-of-the-mill body building routines, DC has the best chance at building greater strength.

The guy in the OHP is Jeremy Hamilton, a top level powerlifter. He does his own programming, not some mediocre "bodybuilding" routine

Yeah, JH is a beast in powerlifting. 220lb raw beast.

You're totally right France; he doesn't do a 5 day body part split. Good spotting.

[TTT]

poor fellas brainwashed...

Alright man,... we get it.

DC is great.

[L33SH]

I'll try this for a 3rd time

I'm not saying DC training would be your 'go to' choice if you had strength goals in mind.

Let's say we have two guys. For the sake of this example, everything about them is the same. Both are looking at gaining muscle, and to be aesthetically pleasing. These are their main goals. John does a typical, "body building" routine, such as a body part split (chest, back, legs, arms, shoulders, etc). James does DC training.

After a year, they compare. James has more muscle mass than John. James is also stronger.

All I'm saying, is that compared to your run-of-the-mill body building routines, DC has the best chance at building greater strength.

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Why does James have more muscle and is stronger after a year? Why does DC have the best chance at building strength? I go to a powerlifting gym and the guys I talk to there are on 5/3/1 or 5x5 program.

[bozodos]

I thought he was comparing to a typical BB split. You can also do DC training in conjunction with 5/3/1, but Wendler advises to never do it with squats and deadlifts.

[L33SH]

hmmm, I'm pretty confused

[No Crust Racing]

You're obviously confused and aroused...

[L33SH]

no? just confused

[No Crust Racing]

And aroused.

[No Crust Racing]

Sidebar: Boz I didn't see your post about the chinups, well done buddy!

[The Bogan]

Does DC stand for "Don't drink the Cool aid".

And if I change my name to James will I put on 10 kg of muscle in 6 weeks?

[Dajae]

Why does James have more muscle and is stronger after a year? Why does DC have the best chance at building strength? I go to a powerlifting gym and the guys I talk to there are on 5/3/1 or 5x5 program.

Because, a typical body building split is a crap way to train, and strength gains are minimal at best. If you were comparing just body building routines, then DC has the best chance at building strength relative to the other body building routines. If someone told me they were trying to get as strong as possible with a fantastic big 3 total, and were doing DC, I'd probably laugh at them. Same if they were doing a typical 5 day body part split.

I thought he was comparing to a typical BB split. You can also do DC training in conjunction with 5/3/1, but Wendler advises to never do it with squats and deadlifts.

This is correct. I was comparing to a typical BB split. Now I wonder why Wendler gives it the ok to use in conjunction with his program? (barring squats and deadlifts, of course)

Does DC stand for "Don't drink the Cool aid".

And if I change my name to James will I put on 10 kg of muscle in 6 weeks?

Sure.. it can stand for whatever you like really.

Who knows; why don't you change your name to James and we'll do an experiment?

[France]

Let's say we have two guys. For the sake of this example, everything about them is the same. Both are looking at gaining muscle, and to be aesthetically pleasing. These are their main goals. John does a typical, "body building" routine, such as a body part split (chest, back, legs, arms, shoulders, etc). James does DC training.

After a year, they compare. James has more muscle mass than John. James is also stronger.

The only scenarios where James would have more muscle mas and strength are:

1. James has good genetics

2. John has crap genetics

3. John did not consistently eat at a caloric surplus

4. James took steroids

5. Or they both took steroids however James used a larger stack

6. Or they used the same stack however James was more receptive to the drugs

7. John was inconsistent with his training

8. John lacks intensity with his training

9. James naturally had more muscle mass and strength to begin with

[TM7GTR]

Holy hell, you leave this thread for a week and all of a sudden there's a bunch of plebs preaching about isolation heavy workouts and so on lol.

Can someone please explain to me what this DC training shite is? (In less than 2 novels)


In other news, creatine loading… BS or legit?
I just did a 20g p/day loading phase for a week for the first time ever to test how legit it is, but I have no data to stack it against (I haven't just taken the usual 5g p/day with no loading phase)

Cheers

[bozodos]

From 5/3/1 2nd Edition by Jim Wendler