Petrol In Sydney

[Cassbo]

what's crappy about it?

you get slightly better economy on it, it's 3c per litre cheaper than normal petrol and it has the same octane rating as premium unleaded

so that'll be win/win/win then

There is the concern that it will eat fuel lines not designed for ethanol. Other than that it may cause your fuel filter to get clogged up faster than usual because A. Corroding fuel lines and B. Ethanol has a kind of cleansing effect (though I learnt this from the internet where everything is true!). Other than that I would say it would be fine to put in a car... but I admit I've only put it in my Subaru because the servo I was at was selling a 95 octane ethanol blend cheaper than a 91 octane... and we all know how much I love my Subie . I'd consider ethanol if it came in 98 octane or higher...

Yesterday I put Vortex 98 in my car. It didn't seem like they where running short, and the price was $1.419 (says my receipt). But seriously, who knows whats going on? I'm going to blame it on the rain

[sh@un]

There is the concern that it will eat fuel lines not designed for ethanol. Other than that it may cause your fuel filter to get clogged up faster than usual because A. Corroding fuel lines and B. Ethanol has a kind of cleansing effect (though I learnt this from the internet where everything is true!)

you think service stations would be selling it without warnings plastered everywhere if it could damage your car?

[D_I_F]

Man I haven't gotten fuel for like 3-4 weeks.. Gotta love that

[sh@un]

i buy fuel 3 times a week. lol

[D_I_F]

i buy fuel 3 times a week. lol

Yea but your work pays for that.

[Cassbo]

Man I haven't gotten fuel for like 3-4 weeks.. Gotta love that

I'd be able to scrape by that if I only drove to work and home and took it veeery easy yay 8-15 min drive to work

Here is some stuff I found on "Australian Friends of Ethanol" (I would of chosen a better name...) I've put my thoughts in blue. They might not be right though lol

Higher Octane

Ethanol has a higher octane rating which is why it is used in high performance fuels. When 10% ethanol is added to unleaded petrol it will raise the octane rating from 92 to 95.

Thats all well and good but I want 98 octane!

Better Combustion

Ethanol contains 35% oxygen and when blended with petrol (E10) results in a more even and complete combustion of the fuels. Ethanol blended with unleaded petrol will also reduce knocking or pinging in the motor which provides better performance and helps the motor run more smoothly.

More oxygen? Lead to pre-detonation? Or is that the same thing as kocking/pinging? lol

Cleaner Engines

Because ethanol blended fuel burns more completely and cleanly your motor will accumulate less carbon deposits than from unleaded petrol without ethanol. Continued use of E10 fuel will help to clean up your motor and fuel system due to its cleaning characteristics.

As I said before, clog up a fuel filter. Thats just the filter doing its job, simply change the filter and its sorted

Fuel Economy

Fuel economy is affected by many variables. Carburetted vehicles that run rich will experience an increase in fuel economy when using E10. Tests on fuel-injected vehicles suggest that fuel economy may fall by around 2%. (2) This would result in fuel economy falling from 10 litres per 100km to 10.2 litres per 100km, a difference that would not be detected by the average driver.

I'm concerned about high(er) performance cars and how their owners drive them. We aren't exactly average lol

Car Warranty

The Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FDAI) has indicated that manufacturers new car vehicle warranties would support an ethanol level in petrol of up to 10%.

Doesn't affect us and our 6-20 year old cars, but I guess its nice to know that car manufacturers say that it doesn't void warranty

[wilch]

Yesterday I put Vortex 98 in my car. It didn't seem like they where running short, and the price was $1.419 (says my receipt). But seriously, who knows whats going on? I'm going to blame it on the rain

I always use Vortex 98.

Careful, Milli Vanilli blamed it on the rain and we all know what happened...

[N1GTR]

thank you!!!! I'm a servo girl and I get abused alllllll the time... If petrol prices were up to me do you really think i'd pay $1.50 a litre? lol

Do service station attendants get a discount on fuel they buy?

I guess there should be a limit for how much you can buy though

[Cassbo]

When my dad started to work for Caltex as a truck driver he got a special Star card that entitled him to about 60L of fuel a month (if my memory is good, which it probably isn't...). This was back when fuel cost the outlandish price of $0.60/L though, so it was a little bit of a joke. Was even more of a joke when they stopped offering it.

[Kinks]

There is the concern that it will eat fuel lines not designed for ethanol. Other than that it may cause your fuel filter to get clogged up faster than usual because A. Corroding fuel lines and B. Ethanol has a kind of cleansing effect (though I learnt this from the internet where everything is true!).

Sydneykid has been running ethanol blend for ages and has noticed no ill-effects, he even slices his old fuel filters open and there's nothing out of the ordinary inside.

[GoldZilla]

had to pour a lil bit of that crappy ethanol addative petrol from shell :S :S

what's crappy about it?

you get slightly better economy on it, it's 3c per litre cheaper than normal petrol and it has the same octane rating as premium unleaded

so that'll be win/win/win then

Exactly, not to mention most of the higher octane fuels have Ethanol in them anyway.

I always carry around a bottle of Octane Booster. I've never had to use it until last Sunday when the BP in Toronto (I was away for the weekend) only had 95RON. I poured it in, filled my tank and came home. I gave my car one full-throttle stretch in second when I jumped on the freeway, and it seemed fine. The one I used says it's supposed to add up to 7 points, but even if it's really only half of that it still fills the 98 requirement must of us put into our cars.

[Sydneykid]

Sydneykid has been running ethanol blend for ages and has noticed no ill-effects, he even slices his old fuel filters open and there's nothing out of the ordinary inside.

Yep, almost 3 years in fact. Plus last week I had the injectors checked for flow and they are exactly the same as they were when I started using V Power Racing. I have given up slicing fuel filters open, there was never anything in them.

Cheers

Gary

[lingeringsoul]

I'm actually scared of using Vortex or any fuel from Caltex. Last time I used them and had it on the dyno, gave me heaps of pinging.

Anyone know whats Mobil fuel like comapred to BP?

[N1GTR]

I dont buy petrol.

I use biodiesel.

[DECIM8]

Vortex burns like crazy, thats why it pings.. Bigger boom more heat.

[R338OY]

Seriously, fuel prices are f**ked. These oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia are taking everyone for a ride .

Every day fuel can jump/drop as much as 10c. How is that normal? If a big mac jumped that much i'd throw it in Ronald's f**king face.

I'm investing in some shoes with a little 'Nissan' logo on the back.

[Primordial]

The answer to that is very simple - cos they can!

[Beer Baron]

I'd consider ethanol if it came in 98 octane or higher...

it does. in fact the only widely available 100RON pump fuel is an ethanol blend. V power racing.

[djr81]

I'd be able to scrape by that if I only drove to work and home and took it veeery easy yay 8-15 min drive to work

Here is some stuff I found on "Australian Friends of Ethanol" (I would of chosen a better name...) I've put my thoughts in blue. They might not be right though lol

Higher Octane

Ethanol has a higher octane rating which is why it is used in high performance fuels. When 10% ethanol is added to unleaded petrol it will raise the octane rating from 92 to 95.

Thats all well and good but I want 98 octane!

Then go buy the correct stuff. Shell sell it, I believe.

Better Combustion

Ethanol contains 35% oxygen and when blended with petrol (E10) results in a more even and complete combustion of the fuels. Ethanol blended with unleaded petrol will also reduce knocking or pinging in the motor which provides better performance and helps the motor run more smoothly.

More oxygen? Lead to pre-detonation? Or is that the same thing as knocking/pinging? lol

Oxegenated fuel is a good way to develop more horsepower. In fact it is a brilliant way of doing so. No, it does not induce pre ignition/pinging/knocking or much else. Have a look at the Motec website for some work they did on an Evo.

Cleaner Engines

Because ethanol blended fuel burns more completely and cleanly your motor will accumulate less carbon deposits than from unleaded petrol without ethanol. Continued use of E10 fuel will help to clean up your motor and fuel system due to its cleaning characteristics.

As I said before, clog up a fuel filter. Thats just the filter doing its job, simply change the filter and its sorted

Your fuel injectors need to stay clean as well as your valves & other parts. It is not just about your fuel filter. Having crap in the fuel system that hasn't been dislodged yet is like playing Russian Roulette. It is not about the fuel itself. In any case normal petrol has detergent added to it.

Fuel Economy

Fuel economy is affected by many variables. Carburetted vehicles that run rich will experience an increase in fuel economy when using E10. Tests on fuel-injected vehicles suggest that fuel economy may fall by around 2%. (2) This would result in fuel economy falling from 10 litres per 100km to 10.2 litres per 100km, a difference that would not be detected by the average driver.

I'm concerned about high(er) performance cars and how their owners drive them. We aren't exactly average lol

The fundamental truth here is that the ethonol blend is less dense that its petrol equivalent. So don't worry so much about the fuel consumption, worry about your AFR's.

[Addison]

no we dont get a discount! except store managers get a BP card that gives 25% off the total each month..