Joeyjoejoe's E85 Tuning Adventutres

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

and you dont have to go to hoppers ever again.... so that's a win

[SS8_Gohan]

after exhaustive scientific analysis (ie liberal doses of right foot) i can conclude that fueltown E85 scores highly in the awesomeness stakes

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

hehehe sweet....

cant wait to get down there, and FINALLY give my new nitto's a real test!

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

aaargh! put new rims on the car and my guard roller broke before i got to the rears.... no point changing fuels while its scrubbing

[aleks]

after speaking to geoff, he informed me that getting the fuel from csr was impossible as the big fuel companies have signed contracts for the next 6 months preventing anyone else purchasing e85, however they are not using it themselves... and the contracts are probably going to get renewed.

FARKING CARNTS!

[STATUS]

aaargh! put new rims on the car and my guard roller broke before i got to the rears.... no point changing fuels while its scrubbing

got one here handy if you wanna grab it. give us a bell if you wanna drop past.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

100% buddy, will shoot you an sms!

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

update:

filled up with a tank of fueltown e85... which is supplied by powerplus (racefuel manufacturers)

the first thing you notice is the differing smell... its not as sweet as the CSR (united) blend, and smells a lot more "fuely"

we threw the car on the rollers and the AFR's were out by 1 (richer)

we tuned the car for the new blend, and ended up pulling out 10% fuel and 5 deg timing on the top end for the SAME power...

same dyno, same tuner, and pretty much identical ambient temps

i spoke to the guy that got fueltown onto 85 and he was saying that united rate their fuel at 104 ron, and powerplus call theirs 106! (the pump however says 104+ just to be on the safe side)

the differing smell is due to the fact that powerplus use wheatgrain ethanol, whereas CSR use sugarcane ethanol

both fuels are blended with 91 ron.

we did a comparison graph, with the CSR and the powerplus fuels, but i forgot to grab a copy...

next week when i'm back at status i'll grab them and upload them unless trent beats me to it

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

fwiw the nitto NT05's still hang in there with 323rwkw, but of course 1st is a total writeoff

[SimonR32]

im so glad you victorians get a choice of what e85 you can run... we don't even have it on pump

[NickR33]

oh hell yes!... that's 10 mins from my place... your a legend thanks for posting it up Hamish... 400rwkw here I come!

[STATUS]

For the southland E85 Power is the same, but needs 10% less fuel and 5 degrees less timing to get said result. (red line represents first run with old e85 settings, too rich and too much timing)

[R31Nismoid]

im so glad you victorians get a choice of what e85 you can run... we don't even have it on pump

Still don't? Jebus... that's bad...

But then i live in the CBD basically here in Melb... as an example to get to Hoppers (where one of the servo's is) and back would see me using a 1/4 of a tank just to fill it up lol.

So whilst we have "choice", doesn't neccesarily make it instantly viable. A Sunday driver ye, anymore than that forget it IMO.

Friend of mine used to take two jerry cans with him just to 'justify' the trip even then there was one trip a month being done (car was only driven twice a week, not very far)

Hamish - given they only rate it 104+, various batches might change between 104-106 by the sound of that statement.

3 months the blend might die down a tad. At least the United seems to be extremely consistent... Fueltown might not perhaps.

Just something to consider.

Where is Fueltown btw?

[boostn0199]

So does anyone havee info when a few more of them will be stocking e85 ? reading this whole thread has really made me want to try it and also trent is a full retune needed to swap over to e85?

[R31Nismoid]

Yes pretty much a full tune is required, totally different fuel. 85% ethanol afterall!

Still very very limited it supply outlets, will be like that for at least 12 months if not more

[Rolls]

If you are running a high duty cycle on your injectors you might have to upgrade them as well skline01999

[seraphyn_r33]

Id also be interested in what e85 could do with a stock turbo? any ideas Trent??? im running 13psi at the moment, so theres not really any room to increase boost i wouldnt imagine

Im in St kilda so fueltown isnt too far at all! and the car is only a weekender so it wouldnt be a hassle fueling up.

Im ASSUMING the injectors and stock turbo would be the main things holding me back? ive got an aftermarket fuel pump, which would be fine.

Would there be any worthwhile gains to be had???? if there is, ill be knocking on your door Trent!!!!

[Harey]

R31Nismoid dismissed me asking this question in another thread. Overall consensus of e85 fuel was that you seem to be able to get more power out of a particular sized turbo then what you should. Therefore its better to go on the smaller side for a particular power level.

Although R31Nismoid does have a point that a full retune is quite costly and there would be better ways to go to get more power (upgrade turbo).

As you said the problem will be the standard injectors as you need 25% more flow just to maintain your current power level.

And is it worth the risk of potentially ruining your turbo.

Edited February 25, 2010 by Harey

[Deano 1]

can u get E85 at the pump in NSW? i throught they took it away??

[R31Nismoid]

seraphyn_r33 - you would run out of injectors before you make any use of E85 on a stock turbo unfortunately.

So you would retune, and not make full use of E85 without fuel.

You should get around 230rwkw on a factory turbo with E85 @ a rough guess

R31Nismoid dismissed me asking this question in another thread. Overall consensus of e85 fuel was that you seem to be able to get more power out of a particular sized turbo then what you should. Therefore its better to go on the smaller side for a particular power level.

Although R31Nismoid does have a point that a full retune is quite costly and there would be better ways to go to get more power (upgrade turbo).

As you said the problem will be the standard injectors as you need 25% more flow just to maintain your current power level.

And is it worth the risk of potentially ruining your turbo.

ummm what?