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R31Nismoid

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It was indeed an opinion and advice, if people don't want to take it they don't have to and I won't begrudge them for it, but if they question/challenge it on here then I will most certainly defend it until I feel I've been proven incorrect...or I get sick of arguing it...

But like I said, these aren't just my words. These come from someone with experience in it. Not that it matters anyway - as I said before, just because I can't put my advice into my driving behaviour doesn't mean I'm wrong in my advice. And to deny the importance of physics and calculations in motorsport is just ridiculous. This kind of comment spits on everything that goes into Formula 1 racing. If all you do in motorsport is trial and error it until you find out what works, then you are limiting yourself to your own experience and ignoring knowledge that could help you out.

heh.. i'm talking about the driving... not about car development or anything like that...

Tell me that Michael Shumacher, Mark Webber and the like are worrying about physics and calculations when they are driving their cars in a race... I don't think so...

Any way, I'm over it...

Lets move on...

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Birds Grand Master

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Of course I was specific. Someone showed me a video from a 3 year ago DECA and asked me to advise on what could have been done better? Would you have preferred me to just say "drive better"? I never assume anything either...even though the course looked familiar, he appeared to miss one of the cones for the course so I could have been wrong in assuming it was the same. Hence uncertain statements like "If he wasn't supposed to go around the right of that middle cone".

I will attempt to demonstrate what I'm talking about, but hell, it's very unreasonable to deny me being correct just because beyond my own ability I can't demonstrate it for you. I'm sure formula one drivers don't tell their engineers where to go just because they can't get out on the track and demonstrate to the driver how an adjustment to the suspension could be better used by the driver. There is an "on paper" side to motorsport. For the record I did learn alot on Saturday by watching other drivers, mostly in relation to the type of surface and condition, but it was useful nonetheless and I took it on board. Regardless, with no homologation and alot of different cars present...DECA results mean nothing beyond comparing to your own times...so I can't even prove my advice to be useful even if I came outright fastest for the event. Try lining up the exact same car and you might have some foundations for comparing driving styles.

I look ahead regardless, to set myself up for the next couple of cones, but I still think numbers would help in this instance. But hey, I'm not demanding my inability to remember things be compensated for, it was just a suggestion that someone else made and I agree with.

Birds Grand Master

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heh.. i'm talking about the driving... not about car development or anything like that...

Tell me that Michael Shumacher, Mark Webber and the like are worrying about physics and calculations when they are driving their cars in a race... I don't think so...

Any way, I'm over it...

Lets move on...

I'm not talking about pen/paper/calculator physics mate, you know what I'm talking about. I think you'll find both those drivers do some quick mental sums when approaching corners and before hitting a track, deciding on road position, gear, throttle and braking effort. Senna did it best...

Agree to disagree?

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Hahah good work though Leon! Just realised you edged me out by 3 points for 14th :yes: You going in November?

Your car looked great out there mate, very nice indeed.

I took a few in/on car vids of my car if anyone's interested:

Good bit of footage there - well done on the day! What camera/mount did you use? I'd be interested to test a rig out when/if i come down to the November event.

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I'm not talking about pen/paper/calculator physics mate, you know what I'm talking about. I think you'll find both those drivers do some quick mental sums when approaching corners and before hitting a track, deciding on road position, gear, throttle and braking effort. Senna did it best...

Agree to disagree?

Yup

I've had my fun... :yes:

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I'm not talking about pen/paper/calculator physics mate, you know what I'm talking about. I think you'll find both those drivers do some quick mental sums when approaching corners and before hitting a track, deciding on road position, gear, throttle and braking effort. Senna did it best...

Agree to disagree?

(Below the belt)....At the San Marino Grand Prix?

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Hahah good work though Leon! Just realised you edged me out by 3 points for 14th :yes: You going in November?

Good bit of footage there - well done on the day! What camera/mount did you use? I'd be interested to test a rig out when/if i come down to the November event.

Yeah mate! see you there... have to have some beers this time!

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Hahah good work though Leon! Just realised you edged me out by 3 points for 14th :yes: You going in November?

Good bit of footage there - well done on the day! What camera/mount did you use? I'd be interested to test a rig out when/if i come down to the November event.

Cheers mate. It's a VIO POV1 with a Panavise suction mount: http://www.racerecall.com/

Great little camera, glad I sold my camcorder and bought one.

Birds Grand Master

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Yup

I've had my fun... :yes:

As have I. I'll buy your a beer in November for lasting this long :D

(Below the belt)....At the San Marino Grand Prix?

A bit tight but if you hadn't said it and I was on the other side of the debate I might have said it for you. Even the best of them get it wrong sometimes :)

Ryan, you have a PM.

Bec Grand Master

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Some awesome times from lots of you this DECA - congrats to all!!

LOL Dane - howd you get 4th?!?!?! (must be my good navigating :D)

Also while we were typing up the results, I noticed that this DECA had the most WD's Ive ever seen - hahaha - good job all

Anyways..... its Friday kids - go have a beer!!! :yes:

NOTE - Marcus Stacey should be "Jane Buman" and Julian Stacey is not in ladies class - will get it edited and reuploaded guys :)

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OMFG best wrap up thread eva.

BIRDS I think ive got the launch part sorted but may need some tips on the other stuff.

Well done to Chris, Russ, Russ, Dane and Ryan!!!!!

Bring on November and put me down in AWD :yes:

Getting the Evo Adz??

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I'm already yearning for November to come around, I can't believe how much fun it was.

Any advice for what I should do in the next three months to get my yellow boat around the track a bit faster? I'm on a budget so bang for buck value is good.

Personally I'm thinking at least one day with Driver Dynamics, a rear strut and maybe some semi slicks (will they help much?).

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Semi's help, but they're not for those on a super tight budget. At 2k a set they're bloody expensive, and road driving will kill them.

Driver dynamics would be your best bet I'd say, nothing beats time behind the wheel.

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Semi's help, but they're not for those on a super tight budget. At 2k a set they're bloody expensive, and road driving will kill them.

Driver dynamics would be your best bet I'd say, nothing beats time behind the wheel.

Serious? I just assumed tires would be relatively cheap. For that price I'd get some nice coil overs instead. Then again, I really don't know much about cars and suspension I'd probably be wasting my money there too.

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yay i finally broke through the 30is and into the 20ies

27th outright

I've been having a kind of strange pattern the past 3 DECAs

1st DECA i was 37th, 2nd i was 47 and now i'm 27th

Whats with all the 7s at the end :D

Very surprised how well i did, especial after seeing how many cones i have hit, i only remember hitting 2 or so.

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I'm already yearning for November to come around, I can't believe how much fun it was.

Any advice for what I should do in the next three months to get my yellow boat around the track a bit faster? I'm on a budget so bang for buck value is good.

Personally I'm thinking at least one day with Driver Dynamics, a rear strut and maybe some semi slicks (will they help much?).

If you can tell the difference with a relatively stock car when you add a rear strut brace then you're probably going as fast as possible already. Don't waste your money. Keep your eye out for some used semis, that's what I do and you get them for a fraction of the cost. People will tell you that they're nowhere near as good and blah blah but they're still better than most streets and will last much longer than streets when being driven in anger. Save your money for the coilovers (DO NOT buy second hand - I've seen that many stuffed used ones), get some used semi's and you will be paddocks quicker.

PS the driver training day will always be money well spent. You'll get faster and safer. I think we all could use a lesson.

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