E10 Fuel

[xALmoN]

I did a search and did not find anything. But anyone knows any of the safeway caltex stations selling E10 fuels, don't seem to be able to find any. Only seeing shell selling E10.

And does E10 do anything bad to the car? Its cheaper, and from what i know, it also runs cooler, but i haven't seen a reduction in mileage, not much difference to me. Any comments?

[JamesK]

I hope your not using this on a Skyline??? But yea from what I've heard it if your car is post 1980 then it should be fine but I've also heard that it doesn't give you as much mileage like you said so i dont really see the point, cheaper...probably not since it's not as efficient and probably not as good for your engine in the long run IMO plus this is all hearsay soo....

[xALmoN]

well, it runs cooler, i dont know the specifics,

but apparently that helps the engine run more efficiently and so it negates that less mileage thingy.

i'm running E10 on my accord, runs fine, so i was wondering. heh, i was planning on using it on my skyline/supra come march...

[JamesK]

I dont think you should if your turbo charged, as the E10 in Australia so far is only 95 I have seen 98 in the US however so they might be here now

[EXTR33ME]

I've seen a 100 petrol at United petrol stations that has 10% Ethanol.....wonder if that can be used safely in a skyline

[Jetdat]

I've seen a 100 petrol at United petrol stations that has 10% Ethanol.....wonder if that can be used safely in a skyline

been using 100 octane for few years now in the skyline as it is tuned for it, no problems what so ever.

i love that stuff.

[BeEnAr]

the 100 octane fuel at united is 98 with 10% ethanol, it's the same as the old VPower Racing. Ethanol mix fuels actually degrade your fuel economy and you will get less KM to a tank so it pretty much averages out the cost saving by having to fill up more. 10% is not an issue for most cars but the E85 is a different story, for that you'll need aftermarket ECU and a retune.

Edited November 6, 2009 by BeEnAr

[Rekin]

The hype about ethanol is that it eats natural rubber and the media is claiming that rubber hoses/gaskets etc can be worn from using ethanol. But this depends on what type of material the car company has used for their fuel hoses/gaskets.

Also ethanol has very good cleaning properties. Another issue with using it in older cars is that the ethanol will clean all the dirt/gunk from the fuel tank/hoses etc and clog up the fuel filter. So when switching over to ethanol its best to replace the fuel filter a couple of times until its been all cleaned by the ethanol.

These are 2 major factors when using biodiesel in diesel cars which has a much larger concentrate of ethanol >10%

E10 unleaded only has 10% so its very small in comparison to biodiesel and hence any rubber damage should be none/minimal*.

It all depends on the material Nissan used for their fuel hoses etc.

You could always fill up a jar of E10, place a piece of rubber hose in there and see if there will be any changes over a long period.

I believe in 2011+ they will be phasing out regular unleaded petrol and replacing it with Ethanol Unleaded. So we will probably be using it in a couple of years..

*The above is based on some research ive done, i do not take any responsibility to any wear/tear caused by using ethanol based fuels in your car

[Jack-]

What you pay for is what you get. I'd stick with normal or premium unleaded.

[paulr33]

ive used E10 from shell, the car ran fine and no problems, no rebuild light, no bang bang, no checker plate falling out, no danger to manifold light. i think from memory i backed out a few deg of timing (mine has aggressive tune) so no noticable issues etc

i can try it again if someone wants me to

i need to fill up and E10 is local to me

do u want me to fill out with std ign maps (as is) in summer tune and let you know how much i get?

[xALmoN]

i dont think it'll have any significant effect on the mileage you get compared to regular unleaded.

But please try... do you need a sponsor!? =D

[Ruffels]

your car is like the energizer bunny paul... it keeps on going and never gives up!

[Peter89]

aren't you supposed to only use 98 octane or greater in turbo cars? a lot of people i know refuse to run anything but BP ultimate.

[brat81]

i have noticed that the ethanol l from united gets me way less K's in the skyline but when i was driving a P.O.S bombodore vp it gained better k's and a tad more poke.

I found that using BP Ultimate gave me more k's in the skyline.

My misses has a 96 ur a bus (subaru) liberty wagon and it drinks the united ethanol fuel

[iseekool]

Ethanol has less energy compared to normal petrol so you will end up using more.

However it has good anti-knock qualities which is a positive.

[SS8_Gohan]

ive used E10 from shell, the car ran fine and no problems, no rebuild light, no bang bang, no checker plate falling out, no danger to manifold light. i think from memory i backed out a few deg of timing (mine has aggressive tune) so no noticable issues etc

i can try it again if someone wants me to

i need to fill up and E10 is local to me

do u want me to fill out with std ign maps (as is) in summer tune and let you know how much i get?

couldn't you actually run a touch more timing because of the higher ethanol content?

stop pussy footing around peoples, E85 is where it's at

car has been running exclusively on E85 for.... dunno, good few months now - all good so far. Including 1 track day.

[iseekool]

couldn't you actually run a touch more timing because of the higher ethanol content?

stop pussy footing around peoples, E85 is where it's at

car has been running exclusively on E85 for.... dunno, good few months now - all good so far. Including 1 track day.

Just wondering is your car tuned for E85?

When I tried E10 I find I loose some power (flat spot feeling) on the low to mid range.

[Peter89]

Just wondering is your car tuned for E85?

When I tried E10 I find I loose some power (flat spot feeling) on the low to mid range.

cuz skylines are tuned for 98octane. if you are running e10 with 95 octane, than power is going to be lost because of a poorer grade of fuel.

with E85 read below.

Edited November 9, 2009 by Peter89

[BeEnAr]

If you run E85 on a stock ECU in any car except the saab's and others that are made to run up to that amount, you will kill your engine.

BP Ultimate is the best I've found in my 32R followed by Mobil Synergy 8000. They are exactly the same fuel pumped out of the same tank at Yarraville terminal except when it goes to a BP truck it has a few extra additives added to it to make it a little different. I don't run V-Power because I found I get substantially less km's to a tank of fuel in the order of 80-100km less per tank which is a helluva lot.

Have not run any ethanol in my R but wouldn't mind trying the E85 once it gets to more servo's cos there are none in my area or along my daily commute that have it.

[SS8_Gohan]

yes, Trent @ Status Tuning got it up and boogieing with the E85 (Nistune remap)

Skylines aren't tuned for any particular fuel per se, more likely there is a MINIMUM octane rating you'd want to run, ie 98 or higher (don't forget Japan has better fuel than us. I would guess most the modified cars over there would run 100 or higher)

Ethanol boosts the octane rating, so saying 10% with 95 Unleaded is going to be a poorer grade of fuel, might not necessarily be true. E85 for instance is around the 110 octane range, and i believe United mix it with 91 Unleaded. You can buy a 85%/98 blend in drums but you could argue a 85%/91 blend is 'safer', but perhaps a 85%/98 blend would net you bigger power gains.

It's funny but there are actually better detonation prevention qualities to LOWER octane fuel than higher.

Be interesting to see the differences back-to-back of a TUNED E10/95 blend, with a straight BP 98. The E10 could very well be safer for your engine.