M35 Stagea Vs Ve Sportwagon

[spoolin12]

And at the end of the day thats what it comes down to

boat vs sport boat..

I just did a test with my box stock NM35 with the iPhone app called Dynolicious.

What is the weight of the car? It asks in the app. I put in 1700KG as a guess.

Here are the results. Foot on brake, rev to about 2800rpm with a little slip off the line.

First run I got 6.2 sec 0-100km.

Second run:

0-10 km/h: 0.49 sec

0-20 km/h: 0.84 sec

0-30 km/h: 1.26 sec

0-40 km/h: 1.70 sec

0-50 km/h: 2.16 sec

0-60 km/h: 2.66 sec

0-70 km/h: 3.28 sec

0-80 km/h: 3.98 sec

0-90 km/h: 4.69 sec

0-100 km/h: 5.45 sec

Think its a little optimistic?

Chris.

[Jetwreck]

0-100 km/h: 5.45 sec

Think its a little optimistic?

just a little....the 6.2 seems closer to the target!

[andy65b]

Cold night last night = better performance ..... ..........

[Angus Smart]

was it ever, i was driving home at midnight and i could hardly hear the turbos normal sucking.. maybe the colder weather quietens it down..

was going hard however.. good times for the rwd machine!

[Commsman]

just a little....the 6.2 seems closer to the target!

Reading Spoolin12's post piqued my interest so I "borrowed" my daughter's I-Phone and installed a free App called Pocket Dyno to see what it showed.

I did 3 runs tonight (14 deg outside) in my wifes stock NM35 (well, I have removed the inspection plate on the airbox) and it's about as heavy as any Stagea could be.

The first 2 runs were in auto mode and I launched at fairly low revs. Afterwards I realised I was so interested in what was going on with the app that I forgot to put my foot flat to the floor . The 0-100 times were 7.91s and 7.32s.

My last run was in manual mode and I changed up before the redline. The app returned a time of 6.89s but I reckon a proper go at it might drop the time by a tenth.

The other info it provided: 0-25km/h 1.05s, 0-50km/h 2.42s, max G's 0.55 and 166 whp (124kw) based on me inputing 1700kg as the total weight. I would almost bet those last figures aren't right....

I don't know how accurate the Pocket Dyno times are but maybe they're not too far off the mark. Not bad for a free app though I suppose.

So, I don't think anyone here would debate that a Stagea isn't great value for money, but faster in a straight line than a SS Sportwagon? Tell him he's dreamin'

[pixel8r]

Reading Spoolin12's post piqued my interest so I "borrowed" my daughter's I-Phone and installed a free App called Pocket Dyno to see what it showed.

I did 3 runs tonight (14 deg outside) in my wifes stock NM35 (well, I have removed the inspection plate on the airbox) and it's about as heavy as any Stagea could be.

The first 2 runs were in auto mode and I launched at fairly low revs. Afterwards I realised I was so interested in what was going on with the app that I forgot to put my foot flat to the floor . The 0-100 times were 7.91s and 7.32s.

My last run was in manual mode and I changed up before the redline. The app returned a time of 6.89s but I reckon a proper go at it might drop the time by a tenth.

The other info it provided: 0-25km/h 1.05s, 0-50km/h 2.42s, max G's 0.55 and 166 whp (124kw) based on me inputing 1700kg as the total weight. I would almost bet those last figures aren't right....

I don't know how accurate the Pocket Dyno times are but maybe they're not too far off the mark. Not bad for a free app though I suppose.

So, I don't think anyone here would debate that a Stagea isn't great value for money, but faster in a straight line than a SS Sportwagon? Tell him he's dreamin'

Your times are pretty close to what I would expect.

For those interested, the kerb weight of the car is 1680kg - i'm not sure if the iphone app wants the weight including the driver or not. The weight probably doesn't affect the timing calcs however - it would be there for the kw/hp calculation.

So if we assume around 6.5-6.8s 0-100km/h, does anyone have access to a VE sportwagon SS to try the same test in it? can probably find this sort of info on the net, although unless you do consecutive runs in both cars with the same conditions and same driver, its never going to be scientific anyway. And this thread is here because the article that claimed to do this scientific test has clearly incorrect results.

To put it another way, has anyone got evidence of the SS sportwagon doing 0-100km/h in less than 6.5s? and no, that article doesn't count. I would be very surprised if the v8 was slower.

[Daleo]

Your times are pretty close to what I would expect.

To put it another way, has anyone got evidence of the SS sportwagon doing 0-100km/h in less than 6.5s? and no, that article doesn't count. I would be very surprised if the v8 was slower.

Motor magazine lists the VE Sportwagon SS-V kerb weight at 1872 kg. 0-100 time 5.5 sec, standing quarter at 13.6 sec. These numbers are slightly slower than a VE SS-V sedan, but the sedan weighs in at 1789 kg; almost 100 kg lighter. The only time you'll be dragging off a VE wagon, is on a wet road, or in Scotty's beast.

[Commsman]

For those interested, the kerb weight of the car is 1680kg - i'm not sure if the iphone app wants the weight including the driver or not. The weight probably doesn't affect the timing calcs however - it would be there for the kw/hp calculation.

You are entirely correct. The App does want the weight of the vehicle, including driver, fuel, cargo etc so it can calculate power. I took a stab at 1700kg, but I weigh a whole heap more than 20kg I can tell you! I thought the calculated power was a bit optimistic and it would have been even higher had I input weight at 1800kg, which could be closer to reality given fuel in tank and me in driver's seat.

I don't know if it is clever enough to allow for the extra driveline loss of AWD / auto trans etc, but I suspect not and that could be the reason for the rubbery power figures.

I like your idea of running a similar test to confirm. Anyone want to lend me their SS Sportwagon for about 6 seconds?

Edited September 20, 2010 by Commsman

[PetroDola]

cant speak for off the line or a ve..but i beat a vq SS v8 wagon from 100-171 by a good 2 carlengths ..both cars were auto....then the speed limiter got me..and he rolled by as he obviously had no speed cut.

both cars had 2 passengers.

mine is bog stock apart from a K&N flat panel , and scottys old custom exhaust 3inch with dump & HKS muffler.

[Commsman]

cant speak for off the line or a ve..but i beat a vq SS v8 wagon from 100-171 by a good 2 carlengths ..both cars were auto....then the speed limiter got me..and he rolled by as he obviously had no speed cut.

both cars had 2 passengers.

mine is bog stock apart from a K&N flat panel , and scottys old custom exhaust 3inch with dump & HKS muffler.

Nice work! Nothing like a big exhaust to make a huge difference over stock.

Hate it when that happens tho. I reckon you've got to be far enough ahead so that when you are about to hit the speed limiter you hit the brakes instead and they can see your brake lights so they know you've called it off.

All under controlled conditions, of course .

[Bronx]

just htinking in regards to the whole rwd wheelspin of the holden, even if you decide to put on traction control, you aint putting out the full 270kw. your traction control will close to null the slippage on the wheels but therefore only give enough kw so the wheels wont be spinning, so at 1500rpm you may get 180kw and at 2500rpm you may get 230kw and at about 3500-400rpm it will give you full use of the 270kw, so it could all be possible. unless we get full dyno results with and a drag slip, we cant depend on a iphone app etc, gps may be good, but its still a mobile phone, not a speed radar.

once i get my stupid misfiring or fuel cutting sorted out, i will take it to the dyno and to drags to see how it goes. my car will be a close to stock s2 manual, only upgrade will be a full exhaust system, 3" dump +200cell cat and 3" hks silent exhaust. it will also be tested bypassing the boost solenoid and including the 2 stage boost solenoid.

but then again, it will be a c34 series 2 with neo engine and not a m35.

[PetroDola]

Installed an 8 point earthing kit and, yes, including the transmission bracket when earthing an M35 makes a bit of difference to gear shifts (still nowhere near a shift kit obviously)

Nice work! Nothing like a big exhaust to make a huge difference over stock.

Hate it when that happens tho. I reckon you've got to be far enough ahead so that when you are about to hit the speed limiter you hit the brakes instead and they can see your brake lights so they know you've called it off.

All under controlled conditions, of course .

was the safest controlled conditions ive seen..200kms out of newcastle heading to sydney at 4am with no one on the dual carriageway but me and mr (gay purple) v8 ss for a good 100kms.

Couldve sat on the limiter for a good hour.. beautiful roads. Makes the M1 in qld look like a dirt track.

Edited September 20, 2010 by PetroDola

[PetroDola]

interesting to note though as i only just noticed it that they called the test stag in this face off a GT in one of the fuel descriptions..unsure if its a typo but could explain the mysterious 13.5 on the quarter time which is supposedly stock.. stock from nismo mebe :?

"M35 Stagea 250GT RS-Four - Fuel Best/Worst/Average – 7.8L/100km / 15.1L/100km / 11.0L/100km"

never heard of GT Rs Four.. anyone know any info on this?

[zei20l]

You need Nismo stripes to feel GT-like

[iamhe77]

interesting to note though as i only just noticed it that they called the test stag in this face off a GT in one of the fuel descriptions..unsure if its a typo but could explain the mysterious 13.5 on the quarter time which is supposedly stock.. stock from nismo mebe :?

"M35 Stagea 250GT RS-Four - Fuel Best/Worst/Average – 7.8L/100km / 15.1L/100km / 11.0L/100km"

never heard of GT Rs Four.. anyone know any info on this?

It would have been a typo and I dare say points to how much they actually know about the M35 (like a lot of dealers out there )

Oh yeah, and that "best" economy? Can't see it happening in real world conditions without the use of a lean tuned piggyback....

Edited October 1, 2010 by iamhe77

[zei20l]

Whos to say their test car didnt have an aftermarket ECU without them knowing. Hence the fantastic performance they were getting

[iamhe77]

Whos to say their test car didnt have an aftermarket ECU without them knowing. Hence the fantastic performance they were getting

No-one, but even with a re-flash in Japan, I find it hard to believe they get that "best" economy... of course I can only base this on the examples of a VQ25det M35 re-flash A/F ratios I have garnered from re-map services in Japan (ie a range of 11.1-13.2:1 is the "leanest" anyone was willing to do)