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Just got my latest MOTOR magazine where they did a track test at Wakefield with various cars. The GT-R went up against the new 911 GT3. I thought this would be a walk in the park for the GT-R , yet the GT-R was comprehensively beaten by the GT3!

Even in a straight line the GT-R was slower than the GT3! GT-R 0-100 km/h in 4.46 seconds! That's the slowest recorded time I have seen, the GT3 did 4.39 secs. then there was the lap time, 0.7 secs slower than the Gt3 and it was raining! (105.8 vs 105.1). They can't explain it, perhaps there was a block of wood under the accelerator of the GT-R? or a spark plug was unplugged?

Why is the GT-R so consistatnly dominant in European/American/Japanese road/track tests, yet here results vary wildly?

Motor also allude to the $120K price difference being swallowed up bythe GT-R's maintanance, is a GT-R so much more to maintain than a Porsche 911? esp a GT3?

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Just got my latest MOTOR magazine where they did a track test at Wakefield with various cars. The GT-R went up against the new 911 GT3. I thought this would be a walk in the park for the GT-R , yet the GT-R was comprehensively beaten by the GT3!

Even in a straight line the GT-R was slower than the GT3! GT-R 0-100 km/h in 4.46 seconds! That's the slowest recorded time I have seen, the GT3 did 4.39 secs. then there was the lap time, 0.7 secs slower than the Gt3 and it was raining! (105.8 vs 105.1). They can't explain it, perhaps there was a block of wood under the accelerator of the GT-R? or a spark plug was unplugged?

Why is the GT-R so consistatnly dominant in European/American/Japanese road/track tests, yet here results vary wildly?

Motor also allude to the $120K price difference being swallowed up bythe GT-R's maintanance, is a GT-R so much more to maintain than a Porsche 911? esp a GT3?

Well considering the old GT3 was only a half second slower than the GTR around Winton its not at all implausible that the new model could be 0.7 second faster than a GT-R on a different circuit. However its hard to explain those acceleration numbers.

Winton Times by Motor

1-Jun-2009 Porsche Porsche 911 GT2 92.10 Warren Luff Dry

1-Dec-2008 Ford Ford Falcon V8 Supercar 92.69 MacLean Dry

1-Jan-2008 Lamborghini Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 92.80 Warren Luff Dry

1-Jun-2009 Nissan Nissan GT-R Premium 93.70 Warren Luff Dry

1-Jan-2008 Porsche Porsche 911 GT3 94.20 Warren Luff Dry

1-Jan-2008 Audi Audi R8 95.20 Dry

Wakefield Times by Motor

1-Jun-2008 Porsche Porsche 911 GT2 65.05 John Boston Dry

1-Jul-2007 Lamborghini Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 66.70 Warren Luff Drying

1-Jul-2007 Porsche Porsche 911 GT3 67.40 Warren Luff Drying

1-Aug-2005 Porsche Porsche 911 Turbo S 67.60 Warren Luff Dry

1-Sep-2009 Audi Audi RS6 67.70 Warren Luff Dry

So you would think the GT-R would have slotted in somewhere around the 67 second mark in this table. Whats hard to explain is why a clearly underperforming GT-R is lapping wakefield park in the WET in 1:05.8 and the GT3 in 1:05.1 which puts it as fast as the GT2 in the DRY! That would put them both in 2nd and 3rd place in the Wakefield Park table in the wet! Lots of unexplainable stuff happening here.. Have they resurfaced the place or moved kerbs or realigned any corners?

Considering Ive done 18,000 kms in mine already and spent approx $300 servicing it so far, I'll let you know when Ive spent $120K more servicing the R-35 than my brother does on his 911T :D

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Sounds odd. Was it really "wet"

1:05's in the wet is FAST.

What tyres did the GTR have? There would be at least 0.7 difference between the bridgestone and the dunlop (dunlop being fastest).

I would be pretty happy running a 1:05.7 (if the track was actually wet, but i doubt it very much, it's just too fast for a stocker car on stocker rubber to run when it's raining).

Also, i dont buy the maintence argument. You dont need to pay the earth if you know what you're doing (and that means you DONT go to Nissan).

Another thing, 0.7s is hardly a "mauling"... far from it. Was it a PDK 997?

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Perhaps Nissan could send someone to teach them how to drive

Yes, that's a really good idea.

These guys at motor have no idea what they are doing. All they do is drive different cars all the time around the same tracks over and over again.

half wit...

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In my opinon the GT3 is an all round easier car to track , compared to the GTR when pushed will get loose around corners easier than the GT3 /2 , drivers of any skill level can tell you this . Some mates of mine say the GT3 or 2s are "boring" to drive when compared to the GTR ! :blink:

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In my opinon the GT3 is an all round easier car to track , compared to the GTR when pushed will get loose around corners easier than the GT3 /2 , drivers of any skill level can tell you this . Some mates of mine say the GT3 or 2s are "boring" to drive when compared to the GTR ! :blink:

Some people also say the opposite, that the gtr is boring to drive than something like a gt2 or gt3

Do you have more pics of the porka in your av please? Love those ridiculous wings they used to have

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Yes, that's a really good idea.

These guys at motor have no idea what they are doing. All they do is drive different cars all the time around the same tracks over and over again.

half wit...

:D

LOL good call.

Who cares it's just one motoring test...GTR is gonna get beaten from time to time and the GT3 is going to get beaten from time to time. Need to look at some averages...or more importantly which one does better in your own hands.

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LOL good call.

Who cares it's just one motoring test...GTR is gonna get beaten from time to time and the GT3 is going to get beaten from time to time. Need to look at some averages...or more importantly which one does better in your own hands.

No, i think you will find a GTR will get owned every time by a GT3 , we just gotta face it :D

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No, i think you will find a GTR will get owned every time by a GT3 , we just gotta face it :D

Do you have a 997 GT3? perhaps we can arrange our own test :) FWIW i've run faster around wakefield in my GTR than the motor testers can achieve in the GT3. Much faster. And i am a rather ordinary novice.

I am willing to bet the GT3 and GTR will be within a bees dick of each other though. Which is amazing considering the $100k price difference (and a lifetime of sportscar development the porsche supposedly has). p.s. If i could afford it, my next car probably would be a GT3, regardless.

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Do you have a 997 GT3? perhaps we can arrange our own test :D FWIW i've run faster around wakefield in my GTR than the motor testers can achieve in the GT3. Much faster. And i am a rather ordinary novice.

I am willing to bet the GT3 and GTR will be within a bees dick of each other though. Which is amazing considering the $100k price difference (and a lifetime of sportscar development the porsche supposedly has). p.s. If i could afford it, my next car probably would be a GT3, regardless.

I had a C2 then a GT3 RUF version , but bought a GTR to see all the hype , and it does live up to it , but you pay for what you get .

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At these level of cars GTR, GT3, GT2, etc. The impact of the driver is very significant. I have done several drive days under lease car agreements. I thought I could drive… then Paul Stokell gets behind the wheel and teaches me a thing or two. Similar experience with Jamie Whincup in the actual race car at Phillip Island last V8 round (only as a passenger this time). These guys can drive !

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Interesting. what did you think of Paul? I have a few track training sessions planned with him.

First one is in a couple of weeks at QR.

Jamie has great car control…is a lot more intense vs Paul. Paul is a lot more lay back. Both are outstanding drivers. Did a drive day @ QR last year, I prefer Phillip Island due to the technical nature of it.

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At these level of cars GTR, GT3, GT2, etc. The impact of the driver is very significant. I have done several drive days under lease car agreements. I thought I could drive… then Paul Stokell gets behind the wheel and teaches me a thing or two. Similar experience with Jamie Whincup in the actual race car at Phillip Island last V8 round (only as a passenger this time). These guys can drive !

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heeeeey.... i have similar photos from a similar day.. except mine is at eastern creek... you are right... these guys are worth every penny!! they are brilliant drivers... i could barely keep up with the pace on a track day let alone with 30 other cars battling for position... intense stuff!!

ive never believed anything in motor magazine... their articles always seem "bought"... just a 3 page advertisement..

GT3 FTW... GT3 RS even better!

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Interesting. what did you think of Paul? I have a few track training sessions planned with him.

First one is in a couple of weeks at QR.

I'm out there on Tuesday this week for the first official practice session for the season and will get to go hard in their new VE... :D

(as a passenger of course)

Looking forward to it, hope there are not too many issues and he can just go hard...

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