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that just depends on -

1) how much of a lemon you buy

2) how useless you are with tools

Don't kid yourself man.. Sif any m3 owners work on their own cars. That's ridiculous

+1 on euro envy.. they're still just cars

bout 40K for one with about 100Ks. pretty similar to 34 gtrs

coz one day they will be collectibles

doubt you'll find a GOOD one for that price at all man and 100ks is to much.

you have a serious euro envy problem... just cos it's made in EU doesn't make it better than anything made in japan...

imho the onlymain thing the euro's do better than the japs is charge

yeh it does man, i been in heaps of euro cars and really they are a class above, having said that the price you pay well thats what you have to look at. Give me a bmw anyday the quality is top notch reliable nice to drive a good solid car. No reall competitors out of japan other than lexus, good car but not in the same level as bmw/merc imo. (yeh i own a lexus before anyone says anything)

c63 interior > gtr interior.

Euro V8's have an awesome sound to them though. Heard an E92 M3 the other day.... f**k it was awesome.

amg 6.3ltr engine > everything.

m3 is weaksauce they should have been way more ballsy with the exhaust, good but a let down i rkn.

Don't know if your an ETU member yet, but saw this on the login area...

Current and up-coming jobs

CURRENT PROJECTS

* Royal Children’s Hospital, Melbourne - Elecraft

* Victorian Desalination Project, Wonthaggi - Thiess

* Mortlake Power Station, Mortlake - Bilfinger Berger

* Tooronga Village, Tooronga - Acton

STARTING UP IN 2010

* Latrobe Uni, Bundoora

* Harvey Norman/IKEA, Clayton - Contract not let

* Ararat Prison - Contracts not let

* CUB site, Carlton - Watpac dodds, Watters. Grocon job/ Contracts not let

* Westfield Shopping Centres Refurb/extensions to start 2010

* Carrum Water Treatment Plant/ Contracts not let

Major Electrical Contractors

The following is a list of the major electrical contractors employing sparkies

Elecraft

3-9 Wreckyn Street Po Box 254

North Melbourne Vic 3051

Ph. 03 9321 3000 Fax. 03 93276 5575

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.elecraft.com.au

Apps Electrics

44 Leavenswell Rd

Moorabbin Vic 3189

Ph. 03 9555 2711 Fax 03 9553 2679

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.appselec.com.au

Maxim

3 Abbot Street

Alphington Vic 3078

Ph. 03 9490 9999 Fax. 03 9490 9955

Email: [email protected]

or: [email protected]

Web: www.maximelec.com.au

Thiess

417 St Kilda Road

Melbourne Vic 3004

Ph. 03 9864 8888 Fax. 03 9864 8811

Link to desal job applications

Watters

24 Network Drive

Port Melbourne Vic 3207

Ph. 03 9646 3333 Fax. 03 9645 4336

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.hastiegroup.com.au/watters

KLM Group

71 Capel Street

West Melbourne Vic 3003

Ph. 03 9320 3444 Fax. 03 9320 3445

Web: www.klmgroup.com.au

Gordon McKay

2/10 Crown Street

South Geelong Vic 3220

Ph. 03 5222 4366

Fax. 03 5221 6640

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.gmckay.com.au

Stowe Australia

67-69 Buckhurst Street

South Melbourne Vic 3205

Ph. 03 9695 2333 Fax 03 9695 2399

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.stoweaustralia.com.au

Downer

Level 1 650 Lorimer Street

Port Melbourne Vic 3207

Ph. 03 9644 9100 Fax. 03 9645 3100

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.downeredi.com.au

Prime Electrical & Data Services

10-12 Beatrice Avenue

Heidelberg Heights Vic 3081

Ph. 03 9457 5122 Fax. 039459 3157

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.primes.com.au

Nilsen

43 Sheean Road

Heidelberg West Vic 3081

Ph. 03 9450 1300 Fax. 03 9457 5261

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.nilsen.com.au

Corke

Po Box 625

Altona North Vic 3025

Ph. 03 9362 4100 Fax. 03 9314 7541

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.corke.com.au

O'Donnell Griffin

Level 1 Unit 10 270 Ferntree Gully Road

Notting Hill Vic 3168

Ph. 03 9501 3299 Fax. 03 9501 3390

Web: www.odg.com.au

John R Salt Electrical Services

69 West Fyans Street

Newtown Vic 3220

Ph. 03 5222 4222 Fax. 03 5221 3092

Email: [email protected]

Web: www.johnrsalt.com.au

Pretty much applied for em all. Had an interview with elecraft but didn't get it, Stowe sent a letter saying no. Not sure what these dream boats are looking for when my AVERAGE mark for my pre app was over 96% across 14 modules ..

euro's are shit till you get mega expensive.... jap cars are always better bang for buck and that's the problem (when you buy them over here)

it's no good saying a 200k car is better than an 100k car

of course a c63 is better than a lexus ... (LSF would be pretty sweet tho)

also everyone i know that owns BM has been hit with major repair bills for things like altinator fails etc

you have a serious euro envy problem... just cos it's made in EU doesn't make it better than anything made in japan...

imho the onlymain thing the euro's do better than the japs is charge

didnt say euros were better, they're just better all rounders.

Don't kid yourself man.. Sif any m3 owners work on their own cars. That's ridiculous

+1 on euro envy.. they're still just cars

go on an m3 forum and see how many of em actually get their cars repaired/serviced at mechanics/dealers. just coz its euro doesnt make it any harder to work on than a jap.

doubt you'll find a GOOD one for that price at all man and 100ks is to much.

100K is too much for a nissan. a 100K bmw is only just run in

yes performance wise a 34 gtr would probably outperform any euro for the same price. if thats all your after then yea stick with japs.

you have a serious euro envy problem... just cos it's made in EU doesn't make it better than anything made in japan...

imho the onlymain thing the euro's do better than the japs is charge

negative. For example, take base model poverty shit like Toyota Corollas vs VW Golfs or Citroen C4s. The difference in quality is quite staggering. Spec wise they're similar, but it's the way it all fits together, the lack of creaks, the fact that they don't feel plasticy (even though they are, simply because they use a thicker material) the way the engine idles, the lack of in cabin noise and vibrations, etc. Then there's the cool shit that's a result of forward planning... like if you walk out of range of the transponder the windows can be wound up and doors automatically locked. This is something that's controlled by the ECU and every dealer can flash the ECU for you with pre-programmed functions on a single bus electrical system. Good luck getting that done on any japanese car with its 11ty billion wires, gameboy spec ECU etc.

Euros are more exxy, but that's because of tarded australian dealers. Compare a Scirocco R vs Honda Civic Type R, same price, both imports, same purpose and target market. The Scirocco is leagues ahead of the Civic.

100K is too much for a nissan. a 100K bmw is only just run in

that's a retarded comment.... you'v just been sucked in by marketing mang

have a look at the top 25 most reliable cars in the UK according to warranty claims information

1 Honda Accord

2 Subaru Forester

3 Mazda MX-5

4 Mitsubishi Carisma

5 Toyota Yaris

6 Honda Civic

7 Nissan Almera

8 Honda CR-V

9 Toyota RAV4

10 Nissan Micra

11 Lexus IS 200

12 Mazda 626

13 Jaguar X-Type

14 Toyota Landcruiser

15 Volvo S/V40

16 MINI (BMW)

17 Suzuki Vitara

18 Mazda 323

19 Toyota Carina E

20 Saab 9-5

21 Lexus LS400

22 Ford Ka

23 Rover 45

24 Hyundai Lantra

25 Mercedes SLK

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