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I just recently bought my LC-1 with sensor, bung, software, and DB gauge from ebay for $200 inc. delivery from the US. It was $180 inc. delivery without the gauge.

Just checked and you can get an MTX-L from ebay for $180 with free delivery from the US. I probably would have still gone with the LC-1 because think I'll eventually run it without the gauge (just going straight into the ECU). I don't like aftermarket gauges in the car.

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when you say killed a sensor, what happened to yours inparticular

started randomly throwing errors on the lc-1, which got more and more common until it did it everytime, bought a new sensor and was all sweet for a short while until the lc-1 unit died....

didnt get wet and never once got the too hot error.

I've got an LC-1, and its only ever had one problem: a random error 5, which I narrowed it down to the controller overheating, I relocated it and I havnt had any problems since. Can't fault it for ease of installation!

K thanks. Main thing i hate about my innovate is i connect it to the cigarette lighter before i start the engine, if the key is left on for a couple of seconds before turned to start it sets the lc1 into calibration mode. Problem is that the sensor is in the exhaust. Then needs to be removed to do a free air calibration.

Now it doesnt happen as i just leave it unplugged till the engine is running for a second

Innovate released a new O2 gauge setup in November last year, It's called the MTX-L, unlike the LC-1 that has a control unit and then a gauge seperate, the MTX-L has everything contained within the gauge. This keeps the cost down as they were aiming to make it the cheapest Wideband in the market.

http://www.innovatem...oducts/MTXL.php

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I picked mine up for $199 + Postage from;

http://www.superiorautoparts.com.au

Let me know how this goes

Looking at getting one of these but only if it performs well enough.

Not liking the comments about innovate in this thread so far lol, I'd always thought they were good

Let me know how this goes

Looking at getting one of these but only if it performs well enough.

Not liking the comments about innovate in this thread so far lol, I'd always thought they were good

It will take a while before mine will be used as i'm building an engine at the moment for the car and it will be used with this new engine.

They seem to work well, even in the stock o2 location. The innovative is very jumpy when placed that close.

the sensor will die quicker if you are running highish EGTS and you have them mounted that close to the turbo.

the AEM eugo's are now $188 shipped altho use a bosch sensor. Any feedback on them from anyone?

I originally set up a group buy for the AEM unit but instead i offered the innovate unit because;

The AEM unit is not calibratable, so as the sensor wears the accuracy will begin to vary, they are calibrated from the factory with a resistor and then they are fixed. With the innovate unit you can do a free air calibration at any time.

You can't change the AFR scale, so if you swap to E85 or some other fuel your only option is to flip the gauge face to the lambda scale. Where as with the innovate unit you can change the scale to a number of fuels.

The Data logging on the AEM unit didn't impress me as it's just a word pad file with a series of AFR's with no other reference (this won't matter if you are data logging through the ECU though as at least then you will have a RPM reference)

The reviews i read said that the innovate unit was one of the most responsive units available, but that has been brought into question in this thread.

Edited by D_Stirls

Innovative got a bad name a few years ago when the voltage regulator circuit inside them would overheat causing them to fail. They seemed to have fixed the issue as mine has been working in my daily for over a year with the unit tucked under the carpet. I have had the sensor in the dump too, with no sensor failures yet.

It is a very fast and sensitive output and the numerical gauge can be hard to read with the numbers moving fast, go with the dial if you can.

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