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I remember reading the somewhat winding story about that connection a while back, but seem to remember it involves the Honda family and some drama/espionage. bit boring really.

Mugen was founded by Soichirio Hondas son. They damn near won a WDC in the Jordan with Frentzen of all people.

lolwut?

McLaren have had heeeaps of different engine suppliers.

Tidbit: Chrysler/Lamborghini almost ended up as an engine supplier, and the team built a modified MP4/8 to test their 3.5 V12 in

Yes kiddies. They started with all sort sof oddball stuff. Got good with the DFV's, spent huge amount of TAG money to get Porsche to build the V6 motors from 83 - 87, then went Honda, Ford, Peugeot, Merc.

^I was just reading about that (good old wiki). More tidbits: they went with Peugeot instead, but after a year of poor performance changed to the mercedes engines.

Interesting reading

Yes- Went from a 3.5L Ford-Cosworth V8 in '93 to a Peugeot V10 for '94; Which my McLaren history book tells me made 100hp more (740) from the same capacity than the V8 did.

Bollocks I say. Everyone was down on the Ford motor. But the packaging advantages and the massive torque made up for the hp deficit. Not that it was ever what the French made it out to be. In any case the engine McLaren ran was to an older spec than the one in the Benetton. True story.

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Beer Baron
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nup, F40 for me too. even better go the hardcore F40 GTR or LM or whatever gay letters they put on the hardcorey one. for many years I wanted an F40 bad enough to make my balls ache. then I turned 13

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f*kc it...let all sell our houses and buy a communal veyron...or Bugatti EB110 could take it in turns sleeping on the Engine deck

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go nissan F1...

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If you count a total of 42 points as 'not finishing a race'

not a good season tho

The point wasnt really whether or not the motor somehow once or even twice hung together for the length of a GP. Really McLaren went from belting everyone with a Honda motor to being thereabouts competitive with a second string Ford to being hopeless with the Pug. It got worse in the first year with the Merc - even the fat boy special they made for Mansell was hopeless.

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Exactly. If they were really up on power and reliable do you think the team would have binned them? The Peugeot motor was unloved at McLaren, tolertated/suffered at Jordan until they got the Mugen (at the time it was effectively a factory Honda engine but out the back of the factory through the family ties at Mugen)and Prost never went anywhere.

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Hey, I was just stating the bare fact that the Pug 3.5 V10 made (as far as McLaren's own information indicates) 100hp more than the same displacement Ford V8.

It's not like I'm some Peugeot motah fan-boy.

(a quick look at the wiki link reveals a grand total of zero GP's won via Pug power)

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Hey, I was just stating the bare fact that the Pug 3.5 V10 made (as far as McLaren's own information indicates) 100hp more than the same displacement Ford V8.

It's not like I'm some Peugeot motah fan-boy.

Nah and Im not either. Just trying to point out you shouldnt confuse PR bullsht with reliable engineering. There is much more to an engine install in an F1 car than horsepowers on a dyno. Honda had to learn that. Ron Tauranac showed TWR (of all people) that with the Yamaha in the Arrows. Not that it needed proving but the Renault motor has also proved it over the last few years.

If you want to see a good motor have a look at some of the massive aluminium Chevs McLaren used in the M8's and later. Or the Repco motors in the Brabhams. And yes I am an MRD/Ralt fanboy.

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