Calling Dietary Gurus

[Vera]

Back in the 50's they ate a lot more fat than we do know and less processed carbs and did not have the obesity epidemic. I'd take a little fat & sodium over wheat.

There is growing scientific evidence that the "bad fat" isn't that bad for you, I'm not saying eat huge amounts of bacon. I'm just saying that it's not as evil as many people would think. I included it with breakfast for 1 month (daily) and it made 0 difference to my bodyfat level, although most of my diet is strict.

I don't agree with the exercise argument, plenty of scientific evidence that hunter gathers did not burn more energy than we do, and they did not do more excercise. Modern tribes who are found do not even have the concept of excercise, they just do the occasional sprint when chasing prey. And 40 years ago excercise was considered harmful for women, yet less weight problems. Processed food is an issue, bread and pasta are part of the issue in my opinion, and obviously tim-tams are worse

However because of modern diet, excercise will certainly help, as long as its the right kind. Some excercise will have the opposite effect for people.

I'm not saying go to zero carbs, but the body needs essential fats and amino acids more than it needs carbs. And high-carb processed wheat is not a nutritionally dense food.

Obviously it works for you, but scientifically it's not the best solution.

Also without large amounts of carbs your body creates the required energy from protein/fat intake. I do eat carbs, but most of them are vegetables and fruit.

Furthermore there is a scientific study showing that muscle start's been created around 30 grams protein, your 2g off...I can't seem to find the study now.

The metabolic effect group consider that there is a "tipping point" http://www.metaboliceffect.com/the-carbohydrate-tipping-point/ for carbohydrates in order for someone to lose weight. Exceeding it tends to cause weight gain, and going to far under will also not work.

Agree with this.

There's a lot of interesting research coming into light about saturated fats being good for you - obviously there is a limit to how much is

Are you a fan of Mark's daily apple..?

[some_cs_student]

Agree with this.

There's a lot of interesting research coming into light about saturated fats being good for you - obviously there is a limit to how much is

Are you a fan of Mark's daily apple..?

I have not read it, I looked today and saw an article about hip flexor tightness and that matches me lol.

I'm subscribed to the newsletter now, fitness wise I'm mainly listening to the smarter science of slim (SSOS) podcast, reading the SSOS book, and I read metabolic effect (mainly via twitter).

I'm also following Jill Coleman (fixyourdigestion.com) and I read the occasional Christian Finn article.

I previously listened to a few JJ Virgin podcats but not anymore, she has a completely different system of losing weight which is interesting.

[GTR-N1]

And yet two oranges have far more sugar content than a Tim tam.

Glad you brought this up!

What's the difference between a simple carb to a complex carb?

And a spinoff Q: why are complex carbs good for the body and yet simple carbs not so much?

[Mitcho_7]

Aren't complex sugars just branched polysaccharide chains, composed of the simple sugars?

You guys are deadset over analyzing everything you are eating IMO, but I guess it depends on your goals.

Edited March 25, 2013 by Mitcho_7

[Trozzle]

Glad you brought this up!

What's the difference between a simple carb to a complex carb?

And a spinoff Q: why are complex carbs good for the body and yet simple carbs not so much?

Isn't it pretty much due to quicker absorption/metabolism of simple carbs that they're stored in fat cells much faster?

[jangles]

Bacon = grease, fat and sodium...the content of which outweighs it's protein benefits. Leg ham is much better if you're trying to stay lean.

See above for nutritional values in weetbix - 6 biscuits = ~12g of protein, throw in two glasses of milk for another ~16g. That's ~28g from your first meal of the day. It's carb heavy, but breakfast is about giving you energy to kickstart the day. This cereal leaves me feeling quite full for a couple of hours - mostly because of the milk, which is also not evil. As for losing weight, carbs aren't the enemy IMO...lazyness and too much fat and sugar is. I can go from 90kg and ~18% BF, down to 80kg and 10% and vice versa without touching my carb (except sugars) and protein intake. Sugars and fats (not the good kind) are the evils. More carbs = more energy to do the exercise that stops you from packing on the pounds.

It's like I said before, people go on anti-carb (read anti-pasta and anti-bread) diets and complain that they don't lose weight...yet often they don't exercise enough to use the carbs or continue eating Tim Tams and packing on the salad dressing.

by default youre pretty much just restricitng carbs.

fats are proven not to be evil.

[Trozzle]

Personally I had amazing fat loss results when I was eating WELL less than 100g of carbs per day. I'm now eating somewhere around 200-250g carbs per day and have only gained a marginal amount of fat (caloric intake would be 2500 - 3000cal per day)

Everyone is different, and even then you won't always function the same way forever. A few months ago 200g carbs per day would've killed me lol, but now I've reconditioned my metabolism to a small degree by introducing them again increasingly and here we are. Feels good.

[Birds]

Hah, I eat my wheat cereal, half a loaf of bread during the day, potatos or rice or pasta as part of dinner...all gets used up in the catabolic exercise that it fuels. Anti-carb people can choke on my 10% bodyfat.

[Trozzle]

Hah, I eat my wheat cereal, half a loaf of bread during the day, potatos or rice or pasta as part of dinner...all gets used up in the catabolic exercise that it fuels. Anti-carb people can choke on my 10% bodyfat.

You've got an abnormally high metabolism, which is why you can get away with this. Normal people wouldn't be able to out-train your diet unless it WAS their life lol.

[TTT]

Do some reading in to the hormonal effect of carbs.

I'm not saying eat less or more..

Just research it's effects... mainly around insulin, and then in turn, the effect of insulin.

[Trozzle]

That's actually something I've been wanting to read into lately (all the effects of insulin, as I understand it's actually a very powerful anabolic if you can harness it) though I haven't had time to look for the right information.

Any links you could possibly chuck up Tolga?

[TTT]

no

[TTT]

without needing a labcoat, see what john kiefer has to say.

he has a book called Carb Back Loading

he has a website/forum over at http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/

Trust me it's not porn.

[Birds]

You've got an abnormally high metabolism, which is why you can get away with this. Normal people wouldn't be able to out-train your diet unless it WAS their life lol.

Or maybe cause I exercise for 1.5 hours, 4 times a week, training in high sets/reps and that has something to do with it...

As I said earlier, I can make myself fat easily. I could eat to excess or chuck in a shitload of fats and sugars. Everyone is different, but anybody can be lean on a carb heavy diet, provided they exercise enough and don't go overboard with the eating.

I'll have to get Leigh to upload another progress pic. He's been training with the same program as me; has cut out a good deal of fats and sugars but retained the protein and complex carbs. He's come down to 73kg from close to 80kg before he started training with me. Carbs are good!!!

[TTT]

*Waits for Birdman to get a few years past 30*

[Birds]

That's what they told me would happen after age 20. "They" being my friends with large guts who don't exercise and live off fast food. And you, mister cake before bed, I understand that metabolism slows with age but you can adjust diet and exercise accordingly. No way will I be giving up carbs completely!

[TTT]

was chocolate cake with ice-cream and maple syrup last night.

still have some left.

but might go pikelets and ice-cream and syrup tonight.

[wolverine]

Metabolism slows a lot less than we give it credit. Maybe around 5% as we get older, much of it is related to decreases in exercise and dietary changes.

[Birds]

My problem with a lot of the science on nutrition these days, is that, like a lot of science in the fitness industry these days...it gets owned by real world results.

Wanna lift or look like someone? Stop reading articles and ask them what they do, what they eat...then mimick it exactly. You won't end up exactly the same due to genetics, but you'll get damn close (including their injuries). AKA broscience but AKA shit that actually works and has results to back it up.

[Birds]

was chocolate cake with ice-cream and maple syrup last night.

still have some left.

but might go pikelets and ice-cream and syrup tonight.

I'm keen to give one of these a go