Wideband Kits

[Room42]

Here is some interesting reading. http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/support/manual/LC-1_Manual.pdf

Previously discussed, it does mention that the sensor should be kept to 900f. It is the same sensor that bosch manufacture and recommend a max temp of 1000c. Go figure.

It also recommends calibrating the sensor frequently so this mornin I'm gonna calibrate me a sensor, yup.

4.3 Calibration Schedule

Normally aspirated daily driver:

- Calibrate before installation of new sensor

- Calibrate new sensor again after 3 month of use

- Thereafter calibrate once a year or every 20,000 miles, whichever comes first

Turbo car, daily driver (tuned rich):

- Calibrate before installation of new sensor

- Calibrate new sensor again after 3 month of use

- Thereafter calibrate twice a year or every 10,000 miles, whichever comes first

Race car

- Calibrate before first installation of new sensor

- Calibrate once per race weekend

Dyno use

- Calibrate a new sensor

- Calibrate every 2-3 days, depending on usage

[JonnoHR31]

as i explained before the temps are at different places.

[Room42]

as i explained before the temps are at different places.

I disagree. I don't think that the difference you are talking about is measured by bosch. Could be but I doubt it. The sensor is the part that will die not the housing. It does mention on the pdf that for track use the sensor should be 36 inches from the turbo so it doesn't cark it.

SimonR32 youtube us up

[frozenwaffles]

i use a PLX device Wideband kit, works perfect!

[Hanaldo]

Quick question for those using the UEGO, is the gauge supposed to not give a reading on decel? I installed my kit the other day, but haven't had much chance to play around with it yet. On the one drive I took it on, I noticed the gauge would display "- - -" while on decel, is that supposed to happen? I thought it may have been because there won't be much air going into the engine on decel, but then I thought surely if it gives a reading at idle then it should give a reading while it's in gear?

Edited September 19, 2011 by Hanaldo

[gotRICE?]

Its normal. Your injectors are switched off under decel.

[89CAL]

This is why they say it's more fuel efficient to pull up to lights while downshifting rather than just putting the car in neutral. Fuel is required to keep the car running at idle. Your drivetrain is doing this under decel so no fuel is needed

Edited September 19, 2011 by 89CAL

[No Crust Racing]

Quick question for those using the UEGO, is the gauge supposed to not give a reading on decel? I installed my kit the other day, but haven't had much chance to play around with it yet. On the one drive I took it on, I noticed the gauge would display "- - -" while on decel, is that supposed to happen? I thought it may have been because there won't be much air going into the engine on decel, but then I thought surely if it gives a reading at idle then it should give a reading while it's in gear?

Yep normal, gauge reads up to 18:1 and on decel the mix geats leaner than this so it displays those --- instead.

[Hanaldo]

I see, thanks guys

[Sidwysracr]

Here are results from a wideband shootout, you can google and read how they compared it along with a industry sniffer.

Innovative is both accurate and quick to display it's numbers.

[scotty nm35]

The XD-16 is discontinued, shame they didnt test the LC1 but I would assume it would be just as accurate from the comparisons I have done.

Lol @ PLX and NGK, + or - 1.0 afr...

[SargeRX8]

The XD-16 is discontinued, shame they didnt test the LC1 but I would assume it would be just as accurate from the comparisons I have done.

Lol @ PLX and NGK, + or - 1.0 afr...

Still able to find them but they cost almost double the price of the AEM. I want to get one of these for my car, get rid of the narrowband and put this in its place. My ECU isn't using it so it would be just for me to monitor the ratios.

[gotRICE?]

^ Plus you could also wire it into your ECU if it allows it and set up closed loop, and target AFR

[Beer Baron]

The XD-16 is discontinued, shame they didnt test the LC1 but I would assume it would be just as accurate from the comparisons I have done.

Lol @ PLX and NGK, + or - 1.0 afr...

pretty sure the XD16 was used with the LC1 in that test. the XD16 is just the display, you still needed the LC1 controller to work with it (i had one).

[gotRICE?]

I love my LC1.

Works great, and piece of cake to re calibrate. I quite like the re-calibration feature. Do it every time the car gets an inspection.

The only issue being they have a high failure rate. From what i can gather from the interweebs they changed their manufacturer at some point and there were a few dodgy batches around. I got one that failed withing a week.

But they replaced everything at their cost incl shipping. So thats good, and its been perfect ever since.

[SargeRX8]

^ Plus you could also wire it into your ECU if it allows it and set up closed loop, and target AFR

So you are saying you can use the wideband and ecu to dynamically control afrs? Surely something my power fc can't do lol. I might pick up a innovative unit. Shop near my place has them plus 12 months warranty

[gotRICE?]

Yep thats what im saying

I can do that with my Link G4. Quite a nifty little feature.

[gotRICE?]

Yep thats what im saying

I can do that with my Link G4. Quite a nifty little feature.

[BlueRB240]

Here are results from a wideband shootout, you can google and read how they compared it along with a industry sniffer.

Innovative is both accurate and quick to display it's numbers.

I remember this test. Very controversial test.

We have spoken to Mr. Mike Kojima the author of the Fordmuscle shootout and got first hand test details. According to Mr. Kojima his article was edited prior to the publication.

The tests were done using Innovate methodology and Innovate equipment.

There were several major flaws in the test, including but not limited to the way the O2 sensor was exposed to the test gases.

One of the major test flaws was reading the AFR value from the Zeitronix Zt-2 analog output using the Innovate logger. There is a voltage drop on the power-ground wire caring 12W of O2 sensor heater power and offsetting the AFR value. Reading the AFR value from the Innovate digital output but logging a raw Zt-2 voltage using Innovate logger subjected the Zt-2 AFR reading to the voltage drop, noise and Innovate logger analog to digital conversion offsets and conversion time.

The Zeitronix ZDL datalogging software should have been used to read the digital AFR value from the digital output of the Zt-2; not any other product brand.

Using the Innovate analog logger to read the Zt-2 (and other wideband meters) analong AFR value gave Innovate LC-1 unit, a half track length advantage in this 1/4 mile race. We either start from the same line or this test is not valid at all. This is an absolute violation and unscrupulous action.

The same goes for the "latency" measurement. The Zt-2 AFR readings were obtained by using the Innovate logger and software.

The Zeitronix ZDL software was not used in the test but scored the lowest.

For those who use our ZDL software know that hitting Enter starts logging, Enter stops. What's easier? "Clap on, clap off"?

Let me point out again that the other unit, which does not come with any logging software scored higher in the "Software" category.

Moreover, the Zt-2 scored the lowest in "ease of use" category. In order to get the AFR value from the Zt-2 all it takes is two wires to be connected to +12V and ground plus the O2 sensor placed in the exhaust stream. The Zeitronix LCD display plugs and powers up directly from the Zt-2.

As you suspect, Fordmuscle is sponsored by Innovate.

Eng

Zeitronix Inc.

[No Crust Racing]

A lot of aftermarket computers will take a wideband input in the 0-5v range, I've got my AEM output wire in place ready for when I upgrade my management and can make use of the wideband readings.

Having a local supplier for the Innovate would be good too given some of the failure info around just in case that still applies.

As an aside, My AEM shipped with an ever so slightly suspect 4 pin harness, I contacted my supplier through ebay and he had AEM send me another express from the states no questions asked.

Who you deal with from a retail point of view is just as important as which product you buy.