V8 Supercars Rumor

[*LOACH*]

I wasn't being a smart ass. Just pointing out what you are wanting to see already exists in another category. So copying another less successful category isn't going to be a very good model

I didn't think you were being a smartass and I understand your point. My point is that there are already multiple racing categories (also less successful) where driver skill is virtually the only important criterion for being successful and the cars on the track are very similar. What we are concerned with, I guess, is the format of the premier racing category. Where the majority of the sponsorship money will go and what the TV stations will give the most coverage to. Personally I think that it was more popular in the Group A days than it is now as V8 Supercars.

Edited September 20, 2012 by *LOACH*

[Tai1or Made]

WIshed they televised Super GT and/or DTM.

Just sayin'.

[mad082]

as said, group A racing was pretty rubbish from a spectator point of view unless you were a nissan fan. the parity regulations were very poor so it meant that A) the team with the most money and B) the manufacturer who wants to go all out and design a car that will be able to push the limits wins. which is pretty much what nissan did with the GTR. they wanted to win in group A at any cost, so they built a car to fit in the limits and didn't care whether it sold. so it is to be expected that it won everything, since in most cases the road version of the car cost twice as much as pretty much anything else it was racing, and in a lot of cases the race teams had bigger budgets than the others as well.

also, i think sometimes nissan fans need a reminder that it wasn't just the australians who scrapped group A racing, and it wasn't just to stop the GTR. group A racing around the world was already dying and australia was actually one of the last countries to scrap it.

as for one or 2 teams being successful in the current racing era, that purely comes down to them being able to do everything the best. it has changed over the years as to who could do the best. plenty of racing categories are like that. F1 has certainly been like that. motoGP has definitely been like that.

i welcome other manufacturers joining the category as it ads a bit of variety, and makes the sport more sustainable. i'm not a die hard fan of any manufacturer though, i like the racing because it is good racing. i don't care how old or out of date the technology is. the majority of racing categories these days are using out dated technology compared to road cars. very few racing categories allow prototype technology.

[luke gtr]

In regards to Nissan joining, one good thing may come of it.

I can finally get a nice, good quality(and overpriced) Nissan jacket and pit shirt.

[wedge_r34gtr]

^^^ yep placin an order for mine this week lol

[Tai1or Made]

In regards to Nissan joining, one good thing may come of it.

I can finally get a nice, good quality(and overpriced) Nissan jacket and pit shirt.

Oh, that's not silly.

Link.

[AngryRB]

Fair point, I was quite young then so maybe i wasnt as critical of the quality of the racing.

I just like the idea of "improved" production cars as opposed to tube-frame chassis cars with 'car make' body panels and control motors etc.

I daresay that in any discipline of motorsport there will always be teams/manufacturers who have bigger budgets and more backing which often means that they will be harder to beat.

Id still prefer that and be able to hear a R35GTR with a dirty side pipe or a grumpy sounding Evo blasting around alongside the Ford/Holden contingent. From a marketing/fan perspective, I also think it means more for enthusiasts and does wonders for 'brand' loyalty.

My 2 cents

^^^this.. doubt that would ever happen.. it would be embarrassing for Ford and Holden to be beaten again by nissan and the GTR is even further ahead now than it was then.. The big bosses are probably old traditional folks that hate the idea of there being a nissan turbo 4wd that would be unbeatable, its a little bit like the "kerry packer" story i think, the establishment wants things to remain how they like it, The ford and Holden brand/company relies on being popular and desirable at these races, if nissan starts competing could be a bad thing for the car sales of Holden and Ford..even though GTR's are out of the price range for most obviously.

Bring a V8 touring car to japan and watch it get lapped by GTR's ..lol that would be worth watching

my 2 cents

[iamhe77]

Oh, you mean those RWD V8 powered GTR's?

Edited September 30, 2012 by iamhe77

[zebra]

Oh, you mean those RWD V8 powered GTR's?

Yeah they ones with 150hp less than the "dinosaurs"

And don't even slightly resemble the road cars

What a good comparison that is

[zebra]

While we're at stupid comparisons

Take a skyline to the Dakar rally and watch it get lapped by 7 ton trucks

[Roy]

While we're at stupid comparisons

Take a skyline to the Dakar rally and watch it get lapped by 7 ton trucks

[luke gtr]

^^^ yep placin an order for mine this week lol

do you have a particular place you will be purchasing from?

[luke gtr]

Oh, that's not silly.

Link.

was hoping for a release, havnt seem anything yet.

[Birds]

^^^this.. doubt that would ever happen.. it would be embarrassing for Ford and Holden to be beaten again by nissan and the GTR is even further ahead now than it was then.. The big bosses are probably old traditional folks that hate the idea of there being a nissan turbo 4wd that would be unbeatable, its a little bit like the "kerry packer" story i think, the establishment wants things to remain how they like it, The ford and Holden brand/company relies on being popular and desirable at these races, if nissan starts competing could be a bad thing for the car sales of Holden and Ford..even though GTR's are out of the price range for most obviously.

Bring a V8 touring car to japan and watch it get lapped by GTR's ..lol that would be worth watching

my 2 cents

Your 2 cents come from Zimbabwe?

[AngryRB]

Your 2 cents come from Zimbabwe?

your profile pic comes from a gay version of ABC for kids

[zebra]

your profile pic comes from a gay version of ABC for kids

fail

[wedge_r34gtr]

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/topic/410349-genuine-nismo-nissan-factory-clothing-support-nissan-in-the-v8s-matzr/page__pid__6554268#entry6554268

not sure if thats what your after, but i was going to pick up a pollo shirt :-)

[warps]

as said, group A racing was pretty rubbish from a spectator point of view unless you were a nissan fan. the parity regulations were very poor so it meant that A) the team with the most money and B) the manufacturer who wants to go all out and design a car that will be able to push the limits wins. which is pretty much what nissan did with the GTR.

In case you were sleeping, Gp A was around long before the GTR started dominating. IMO GP A was a step backwards from the Gp C - they might have ultimately been faster than the Gp C, but too refined. Gp C were over powered, under chassis'd monsters.

Beofre the GTR domination there were all sorts of cars battling for the top spot - BMW (M3 AND 635CSi), Jags, Camaros, Commodores, Falcons, Sierras, r30 / 31 SKYLINES etc. How can you say that was boring motorsport? Of course there were phases where some marques had the advantage but nothing like when the GTR came along and made it boring. I actually hated the GTR at the time for what it stood for.

Can't blame the GTR entirely though - the Sierra were very dominant until the GTR came along, so the writing seemed to be on the wall a couple of years beforehand.

Back on topic - I thought M-B pulled out of the V8 Supercars, because they don't want to be associated with the bogan-ness which is V8 Supercars.

Edited October 1, 2012 by warps

[Birds]

your profile pic comes from a gay version of ABC for kids

No, actually, it comes from Friendship Is Magic, a gay version of My Little Pony. But that's cool, it's not the first time you've been wrong in this thread.

Seriously though, your 2 cents post was pretty ignorant

[Roy]

In case you were sleeping, Gp A was around long before the GTR started dominating. IMO GP A was a step backwards from the Gp C - they might have ultimately been faster than the Gp C, but too refined. Gp C were over powered, under chassis'd monsters.

Beofre the GTR domination there were all sorts of cars battling for the top spot - BMW (M3 AND 635CSi), Jags, Camaros, Commodores, Falcons, Sierras, r30 / 31 SKYLINES etc. How can you say that was boring motorsport? Of course there were phases where some marques had the advantage but nothing like when the GTR came along and made it boring. I actually hated the GTR at the time for what it stood for.

Can't blame the GTR entirely though - the Sierra were very dominant until the GTR came along, so the writing seemed to be on the wall a couple of years beforehand.

Back on topic - I thought M-B pulled out of the V8 Supercars, because they don't want to be associated with the bogan-ness which is V8 Supercars.

Its not an official WB effort. Paid for by private money ad dont get to use the Merc name or AMG name, simply the 3 stay logo on the front grille.

I hear what you say about domination of other cars in other years. The M3 had its time, the Sierra. But all were compromised in one area. M3 grunt. Sierra tyres and others just ordinary. The Commodore was a reasonable package with regards to weight, power and tyre. So it was an interesting mix of compromised cars. The R31 was ok...not quite the power of the Sierra, but better drivability and tyre wear. It wasnt until the GTR came along that a car had no weakness. Which was against the grain of Grp A which was to homologate a bucket mass produced car and get it to lap quickly