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Piggaz
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Rightio. I have the first GTR version in my car at the moment (more may have been put in since). I went from a PFC to the Link G4 and the driveability difference was amazing. Now having the Blackbox

Aggroman
Aggroman

ur an idiot.. please go away

XKLABA
XKLABA

I 2nd this, Marko decided his current comp wasn't up to the job he had for it and wanted to upgrade to something that will do what he wants and the BB fit that bill and I'd say that's why he get it I

Dose Pipe Sutututu Grand Master

Dose Pipe Sutututu

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I was surprised too. There are no cough's, splutters, 'funny idle' moments.

Unfortunately, it doesn't have the "name" or "marketing machine" as some of the better known ECU's out there, so some might turn their nose up at it.

I am confused when you say you were surprised there's no coughs/splutters/funny idle, etc... a decent ECU that has throttle enrichment and fuel cut on decel functionality should be able to eliminate all of these (depends on the tuner too).

Even a base model adaptronics can be tuned/tweaked so that a car will behave like stock, heck even a dinosaur 1990s tech PowerFC has those features

Piggaz Grand Master

Piggaz

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I am confused when you say you were surprised there's no coughs/splutters/funny idle, etc... a decent ECU that has throttle enrichment and fuel cut on decel functionality should be able to eliminate all of these (depends on the tuner too).

Even a base model adaptronics can be tuned/tweaked so that a car will behave like stock, heck even a dinosaur 1990s tech PowerFC has those features

With the FC, I always had a 'miss' under light load taking off from lights. I'm not the only one that had/has this issue. There was a thread made about that specifically.
Piggaz Grand Master

Piggaz

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^ interesting, maybe it's a dual AFM thing.. then again PowerFCs are becoming less popular :)

I know Steveo had the same issue on his D Jetro too.

Either way, both the Link and the Blackbox belts the 'driveability' of a FC out of the water. The stuff you can't see on a dyno is quite often overlooked/forgotten about/ or simply not known about if you haven't had anything better.

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GTR_JOEY Grand Master

GTR_JOEY

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little bit of a thread dig,

just wanted to vouch for the drivability of the black box, the throttle response is insane, ive currently got a link and I noticed the difference straight away when I jumped in Pauls car (we both also have the same injectors, crank trigger, ignition system and we both use yavuz at unigroup)

... as stated above... the black box is to a link G4, as a link G4 is to a power fc

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Marko R1 Grand Master

Marko R1

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Hi guys,

I have had the power fc on 3 other GTR's in the past and agree about the glitch I experienced across all 3 accounts.

I now have a vipec and at the juncture where I'm reaching the limits of the unit...I've ran out of inputs as I need more than one for the ECA and boost switch. I've also Exceeded the limits of the map sensor as it only supports 2.5bar = 22psi (I'm moving to a flex tune).

For these reasons I'm going to the blackbox and after talking to Yavus, I was informed that the technical advantages is that you have control on fuel temperature compensation + the sequential ignition is dedicated to each coil pack via 6 dedicated outputs (rather than sharing each ignition output across 2 coil packs).

The M3 is a scalable ECU.

Hope that helps for all looking for information.

KiwiRS4T Grand Master

KiwiRS4T

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Hi guys,

I have had the power fc on 3 other GTR's in the past and agree about the glitch I experienced across all 3 accounts.

I now have a vipec and at the juncture where I'm reaching the limits of the unit...I've ran out of inputs as I need more than one for the ECA and boost switch. I've also Exceeded the limits of the map sensor as it only supports 2.5bar = 22psi (I'm moving to a flex tune).

For these reasons I'm going to the blackbox and after talking to Yavus, I was informed that the technical advantages is that you have control on fuel temperature compensation + the sequential ignition is dedicated to each coil pack via 6 dedicated outputs (rather than sharing each ignition output across 2 coil packs).

The M3 is a scalable ECU.

Hope that helps for all looking for information.

I take it you have the plugin version. The wire in version is gruntier all round but I don't know if it has the number of inputs that you require. My installer puts in a 3 bar MAP sensor as a matter of course as the built in one is very limited as you say. Let us know how you get on with the black box!
Lithium Grand Master

Lithium

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Hi guys,

I have had the power fc on 3 other GTR's in the past and agree about the glitch I experienced across all 3 accounts.

I now have a vipec and at the juncture where I'm reaching the limits of the unit...I've ran out of inputs as I need more than one for the ECA and boost switch. I've also Exceeded the limits of the map sensor as it only supports 2.5bar = 22psi (I'm moving to a flex tune).

For these reasons I'm going to the blackbox and after talking to Yavus, I was informed that the technical advantages is that you have control on fuel temperature compensation + the sequential ignition is dedicated to each coil pack via 6 dedicated outputs (rather than sharing each ignition output across 2 coil packs).

The M3 is a scalable ECU.

Hope that helps for all looking for information.

Fwiw, for the sake of people reading through - those are limitations for a plug-in ECU... if you had an "Extreme" or "V88" then you would have more inputs, the option of a higher pressure map sensor (I actually think the plugins come with more than 2.5bar now too, though could be wrong), and you can map fuel temperature compensation - though you only have limited overlay tables so it depends on how much your tuner has utilised, and it can also drive each coil pack and injector separately.

Marko R1 Grand Master

Marko R1

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Thanks for highlighting guys, yes it is a plug-in version.

Are the Extreme and V88 versions plug-in or wire-in? For me personally, I would only consider a plug-in being a street car.

Minimal implementation = short turnaround time for go-live = win win!

(I need to take my IT hat off hehe)

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