300Kw Whats It Like On The Street

[polzin]

yea i allready got the coilovers looking at better brakes and locking out the hicas and doing little things along they way its a long term project some thing for me to play around with when i am bored shes a bit rough on the out side but still a fun car none the less

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

And get a diff, no point having power you can't put down. The stock VLSD doesn't let you enjoy your car.

[89CAL]

Exactly

I spent part of today in a Mclaren MP4-12C, i can tell you if it lays the power down well like the Mclaren, even 441Kw can get boring after a while.

Something with big cams and a big turbo hit of power can feel far more quicker and scarier, even though it wont be doing 0-100 in under 3 seconds......

I feel like this was just to brag lol

[GTRPSI]

I feel like this was just to brag lol

It was..

Now having experianced it, they are too well electronically sorted, a angry RB in my books anyday.

I cannot understand spending 500K on something that wont violently scare you, id rather feel a 30-60K 32,33, 34 GTR shake and twitch under power like its going to bite you than have onboard computers give you a clean clinical drive.

Got out and realized the same power or less in a heavier Skyline can be violent, you have to drive and to some degree fear the car, not the computers drive it for you.

You want to have a car that scares you for the adrenalin rush, MP4-12C roadster just didnt do it for me, felt detracted from the impression of power by the electronics.

Sure it wont be as quick but a angry RB will get your heart pumping.

[Mick_o]

You couldn't be more wrong! If you're a straight line hero sure an evo may be "boring" but if you like cornering at speeds that boggle your mind and g forces that have your face stuck to window it NEVER gets boring! I've owned a crazy responsive 336kw GTST and now built my evo up to around the 300-320kw zone (no dyno yet) and the evo is alot faster and responsive than my skyline was.. I still drive out of corners in the evo shaking my head thinking WOW with the grip it has Nearly 2 years later.

Just got out of it then and came out of a roundabout in 2nd gear fed it on and it started spinning all 4's and drifting slightly. Boring is sitting around spinning wheels going nowhere IMO

I never wanted 300kw to hose off anyone, it was the pure sound and ability to lay rubber like butter when the torque comes on, Evo's andWRX's can be quick but sound boring to me.Go to the drags and even a 10sec V8 or EVO gets boring, watching a pissed off RB is more exciting.

[jiffo]

I think your question should have been, "What's it like in the wet?"

Short answer, deadly.

You can dry-drive OK with careful right foot application, but with lots of Hp in a light arsed RWD car, wet conditions will catch you out for sure.

[discopotato03]

My take , and I have a 33 and an Evo 6 is that the Evos will put more of their available power to the ground a lot longer than most/any RWD will/can . It comes down to 100% of the weight on the driving wheels so they hook up and scram most of the time .

Honestly for round town "normal" driving I prefer the Skyline but it's probably because 2.5 litres is a bit more torquey and flexible than a rock stock 99 mod 4G63T engine pulling around the same mass .

Powered up and driven flat footed the Evo would eat the Skyline partly because of traction/brakes/gearing and they're a much more nimble car than an R33 anyway . Where this is fun on the street is you can get them up and cracking quickly and pull the speed back down equally as quicky to avoid notice . Also you don't have to have screetching tyres and clouds of smoke to leap out of the blocks .

I think the best way I can put it is that Skylines , exc GTRs , are better all round cars where Evos are a bit more narrow focused - biased towards performance and handling rather than being a nice relaxed cruiser GT car .

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[colourclassic]

I want an Evo now.

My 33 has 270rwkw and to be honest, I kind of had a similar amount of fun blasting around the streets with the stock turbo, because it would be on boost by 2,000rpm instead of having to be wound out to 4,000rpm. It is very fast, and still feels fast 6 months on, but it is kind of impractical for a street car. I have to granny it to get 400km out of a tank, where before I'd get 500 easy. Thrash it from full and I only get about 250km from a tank

I'm considering putting the stock turbo back in the 33 and buying a GSXR-1000, because those never feel slow, trust me

[polzin]

Readying this i want a evo as well i know a lot of mates with them there fun car to lol i allso miss my road bike that got me into to much troubl

[ARTZ]

all i need to do is upgrade the turbo and injectors i have all the other supporting mods i think one day the magic number will 400kws but for now around 300 will be good

the magic number for the 33 seems to be around the 250-280 mark....anymore is good to brag about but often isn't any faster on the street because you are always having traction issues...

big numbers are fun, but you will be just as fast in a lesser powered car...Maybe not over the quarter mile or long open road, but everywhere else..I just ditched my 300kw car, was just a skid machine really..was fun but going to be aiming for 220-250 now with as much midrange torque as i can get, will be less costly, less stress on driveline, more practical and I think just as quick in most cases...

of course f all.you do.is skids, you will always want more powah!!!

[The Bogan]

What's it like in the wet???

Not a issue if you drive to the conditions.

BUT, 50 kwatw is enough power to get you into trouble if you think you are a good driver, when the reality is that you are not.

Control is realitive.

[jiffo]

There must be some outstanding drivers out there.

But from my experience (this depends how savagely the power comes on), around 250rwkw is it for a GTSt when driving on Qld's roads.

After that go for a GTR.

So think ahead and buy the GTR, GT4, Evo etc now if you're planning on pushing 300rwkw in the future.

[sane33]

Have 305kw in my r33 pretty good on the street, 1st and 2nd gear are pretty shit on traction lol

[The Bogan]

LOL, from my experience anywhere around 400 is fine for the road and good for some track and drags.

And as for there being lots of good drivers around, the wreckers and panel beaters can prove otherwise.

Anyway, power is useless unless you use the car for some form of motorsport.

For the street all you need is response, otherwise Nana in her auto rolla with smoke you.

[scotty nm35]

For the street all you need is response, otherwise Nana in her auto rolla with smoke you.

Lol. ^^This.

If you can get your 300kw power target and still have boost kick in no later than say 3500 rpm you will have a street weapon.

[The Bogan]

And while you are waiting for the turbo to spool Nana has cut in front.

Power to weight, spool time, taking of from idle, gear ratios.

These are the things I would look at if I wanted a fast turbo street car.

A 200 kw car built for response will smoke a 300 kw car built for power on the street.

By street I mean from idle up to 80kph.

For track or drags? Well thats a whole different kettle of fish.

[Blackkers]

If you can get your 300kw power target and still have boost kick in no later than say 3500 rpm you will have a street weapon.

I couldn't agree more, small turbo boosted to hell is a much better idea than a big lazy turbo. Every time.

300rwkw is a legitimately fast car and you will have traction issues for sure... But that shouldn't be a deterrent really, the 370z spins 1st and 2nd in stock form, even the auto model does.

Gtsts aren't that fast really, my go kart does low 1:02 laps at Wakefield so I don't really want to disappoint myself by taking the 33 there haha

[Touge Kyousou]

OP, realistically you will need

-clutch if you're running standard clutch

-tires (and maybe wheels if your current wheels aren't wide enough)

-attention to brakes

-Depending on the quality of the exhaust, it may need attention ?

-boost controller

-and a diff mentioned earlier would be nice

My car only has 260rwkw (responsive though and it's semi stripped.. easily walks away from hsvs and typical wrx's at wakefield), even so it's impossible to enjoy on the streets. It doesn't see much street anymore as a result, and gets garaged until track days.

I have a bnib latest hypergear highflow that i don't know what to do with yet as the whole car has been setup around it's current power/response, just to give you an idea of what thinking about 300kw is like, when you're around the 260 mark.

If it's not sorted out well on the drivetrain and sussy/bushes side of things, you're just gonna be spinning 1st 2nd and 3rd which gets real old quickly unless you're into skidz.

Have fun and stay safe

[polzin]

OP, realistically you will need

-clutch if you're running standard clutch

-tires (and maybe wheels if your current wheels aren't wide enough)

-attention to brakes

-Depending on the quality of the exhaust, it may need attention ?

-boost controller

-and a diff mentioned earlier would be nice

Yep i got a heavy duty clutch in her and a short shift kit tires are good but i am looking to go a bit wider on the back for traction brakes are definitely on the cards no point having all this power if you cant stop the exhaust is in really good nick just need a good dump pipe thank god for tax return and i have a electronic controlled boost controller controlled by the adaptronic ecu but how big of injectors should i run?

Edited July 6, 2014 by polzin

[Touge Kyousou]

Sounds like you've got most support mods like you said which will make it a cheaper exercise

Injectors, for a target of 300rwkw 740cc and above will do. Probably just 1000's so that way you can move to e85 in the future if you want.. though i recommend just doing it with everything else at the same time if you're remotely thinking about it. That way you'll save money on not needing a retune plus it's good insurance for a motor that will get driven.

For the heavy duty clutch, it may or may not hold 300rwkw. I think Exedy only rate their heavy duty to hold around 250rwkw reliably.

Another good cheap mod that will give you better traction are cradle bushes (pineapples).

Whatever you do, don't skimp on tires and don't let the tire shop talk you into getting something that they just save in stock haha. Decide if you want to run street, S or R compounds, set a budget then look for best in class