Formula 1 2015

[djr81]

Yeah good but a bit phaaaaarken late.

Good good that LeMans is on. May watch a bit of it then.

[hrd-hr30]

It would appear to have reverted to an engine formula again - bit like the mid to late eighties. Difference being the things are now so hideously expensive that the cost controls and development restrictions required have meant MB advantage is pretty much cast in stone. NFI how they are going to get out of this in the next few years. How do you fix it if there isnt any development worth the name allowed next year? Wait until Renault go home and then quit?

Formula is now shit and that is before you get to the dumb restrictions and limitations on engines etc.

Ferrari went from slower than Renault engine last year to almost on par with Mercedes engines this year and still have development tokens left. The development token system is not why Renault suck. They just suck.

[djr81]

Don't think Mercedes have spent any tokens this year yet? Their upgrades were reliability - in the sense that they allowed them to use more horsepower more often = increased reliability.

Renault have done a pretty ordinary job this year with their upgrades. But the point is the way the rules are it would appear that a failure this year locks them in to more failure in the years to come. Which doesn't appear to be reasonable. Mercedes were seemingly open to atleast discussing the point but I fear that if Ferrari close the gap they will get in on the act and do their old tricks of saying screw everyone else and acting in their own short term self interest to the detriment of the sport. Maybe the new bloke has a bit more sense than they have shown previously, although I am not sure about him trying to pin stuff on MB.

From Autosport.

Marchionne feels the initial rules were "improperly drafted", and resulted in the situation that has now materialised, while the agendas of those previously in power has also played a part.

"This sport, the rules and the way they've been constructed are the result of a variety of attempts by people who have either been in leading positions, or near leading positions in particular seasons, to try to protect their competitive positions," he said.

"Ferrari is as guilty of that as Mercedes is now. I understand it because we would have done the same thing had we been in that position.

"But is it the right thing for the sport? Probably not."

[hrd-hr30]

Merc spent more development tokens than Ferrari in the off season actually. And Merc were reported to have about 50bhp more than last year.

Edited June 10, 2015 by hrd-hr30

[mad082]

Just back to the refueling issue for a second, I don't think they really need refueling to make the racing interesting again, just add 20l to the size of the fuel tank and specify that it must be full before the race (so that teams don't just partially fill it, get their calculations wrong and require the driver to conserve fuel). Then the drivers will only be driving to a tyre number, which is acceptable. You can't remove all strategy options from the race. If you had tyres that would also hold up well and not drop in performance then cars would simply pit once for the different option tyres and the slower teams would simply finish up further behind than they currently are because there would be no benefit from only 1 stopping instead of 2 stopping.

[Roy]

Geez. RBR want Renault to leave...hardly laying a solid team environment/foundation for trying to entice Audi, BMW or Toyota etc back into the game.

[djr81]

Come on Troy its not like they have destroyed all their enjoyment of the sport.

RedBull Ferrari for 2016?

[dezz]

Michelin bidding for 2017

[Roy]

I still think i need to be in charge. Nismo/Nissan/Infiniti enter F1. Take over part of Mechachrome facility and build the engine Renault want to and then sell the engine to RBR, STR and whichever team Renault takes over.

The new Renault F1 team can badge the car Renault just as RBR has done with Infiniti.

Easy path to being competitive in 2016 without stupid token limit. Wtf do all those muppets get oaid the big dollars for when i have all the answers

[djr81]

Hmm McLaren looking worse this round that they did in Canada. Hard to believe but they have managed it.

Something has to give. Either Renault Honda or the rules. Wonder which will be first. My money is on Renault.

[Roy]

Mclaren and Red Bull are sooooo bad right now its giving FI, STR and even Sauber a walk up opportunity at points at most GPs.

Wasnt a bad race...thankfully Rosberg drove well. Cant believe how shit Kimi is all of a sudden. He has fallen off a cliff.

Time to get Rimain or Hulk in that seat. Bottas can stay at Williams

[warps]

Interesting bit of trivia

By this phase of the season last year, the SAU F1 thread had around 1650 posts. Same time this year we are at what, 650-ish?

Certainly a loss of interest in the spectacle around here..

Edited June 22, 2015 by warps

[Missileman]

What happened to Homo, did Nico do him off the line?

Ferrari should show Kimi the door, and pair vtool with Dan.

[dori34]

i've never fallen alseep this much watching F1 in previous years.............

[djr81]

Yeah cause Tool would love that. Hulkenberg deserves the Ferrari drive.

Season has been dull. Endless Honda and Renault blow ups and no genuine competition between the MB drivers any more. F1 being F1 they wont even fix it for next year.

Highlight of the race was watching the old turbo F1 cars. MP4/2, BT52 etc. Shame others went bang before they could get out there but still far better than the race. They look like proper race cars for a start.

Edited June 22, 2015 by djr81

[Weapon]

I don't mind it there was solid battling in the back/middle of the pack.

Definitely think Hulk is putting together a solid year so far. It was interesting they were saying that they were trying to re do Kimi's Ferrari contract to structure it on performance rather than just paying him huge amounts of coin to do feck all.

Definitely agree Hulk would be a good option as a second driver at Ferrari.

It's been done in the past in the V8 days when RBR sucked they gave them free reign to develop a better package. Something definitely needs to be done on that front. I'll still watch it though because even when Maldenado doesn't crash he tries very hard to while over taking and I find that amusing haha

[ctjet]

Interesting bit of trivia

By this phase of the season last year, the SAU F1 thread had around 1650 posts. Same time this year we are at what, 650-ish?

Certainly a loss of interest in the spectacle around here..

well shit, i've been pretty fcuking busy you know

[djr81]

well shit, i've been pretty fcuking busy you know

Cmon man, we are all busy. Just got to prioritise. You know work or post shit on SAU. No contest really.

Also the Force it Indias new nose in testing looks funky. Good work whomever thought that up.

Edited June 25, 2015 by djr81

[ctjet]

its just Saubers nose with a bit of a moustache

the rip off mclaren paint scheme looks really good this year though

[Kinks]

i've never fallen alseep this much watching F1 in previous years.............

Last year I watched every race (usually recorded). I tried to get through Monday without finding out who won.

This year I don't even bother unless the news report (or someone who did watch it) says it was a good race. It's more than just Mercedes being dominant, the racing is boring and processional.