Is Non Turbo Good?

[IOWNU]

mine used to beat heaps of gtst's when it was a 2.5 NA, most people need to learn to drive... straight line or twisties...

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LoL...I don't care if you're Ralph Schumacher, you're not about to beat a GTST in a GTS (assuming its standard) UNLESS the driver of the turbo vehicle is totally incompetent. If he has half a brain, he'd win.

[Eug]

LoL...I don't care if you're Ralph Schumacher, you're not about to beat a GTST in a GTS (assuming its standard) UNLESS the driver of the turbo vehicle is totally incompetent. If he has half a brain, he'd win.

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dude, whats with the attitude?

the thread is about if non-turbo's are good, and people's responses have been that they are decent, and are quite capable of keeping up with gtst's.

someone people just have teh notion that with more power your going to

win hands down... john was simply proving that wrong.

everyone has a different level of abiltity, and if someone with an NA can keep up with a gtst then good on them. no need to get cranky because 100mL and 2 extra turbos are needed to compensate for ability.

[funkymonkey]

hehe IOWNU... I do believe I took out 2 R33 GTSt's (granted one of them was an auto) and 1 R34 GTt (yes Pete... I did beat you... twice) out of a recent SAU VIC organised motorkhana comp... and I did it in my daily driver R32 GTS (2.0L N/A which has bugger all mods except or a set of Fujitsubo extractors and high flow exhaust) because my track car was getting work done on it. I can show you the times from the day if you want proof. We were all having fun really, no Schumachers amongst us.

All comes down to how the car is applied and how serious the drivers are, and in my case... luck

That said, R33's are heavy cars due to the extra chassis rigidity and increased size over an R32, so I don't know how an R33 GTS will carry that weight. However I do know non turbo skylines aren't that shabby compared to like a honda integra, which is probably a good alternative. Will you win circuit events at Oran park or Phillip Island with an R33 GTS... probably not, will you have a nice car with decent fuel efficiency, rwd and decent options like all wheel steering that aren't featured in other cars that you can buy for a similar price.... definitely.

[IOWNU]

dude, whats with the attitude?

the thread is about if non-turbo's are good, and people's responses have been that they are decent, and are quite capable of keeping up with gtst's.

someone people just have teh notion that with more power your going to

win hands down... john was simply proving that wrong.

everyone has a different level of abiltity, and if someone with an NA can keep up with a gtst then good on them. no need to get cranky because 100mL and 2 extra turbos are needed to compensate for ability.

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I'm not being moody, I'm stating the facts. Facts are, the same driver, given a GTS and a GTST, would perform better in the GTST. It's called reality. Sure they'd win, if the other driver missed a gear, shifted at 4000rpm etc etc....Sure if u get lucky u get lucky, but most of the time u won't.

As for 100mL and 2 extra turbos compensating for ability........you haven't seen me drive, nor have I seen you drive, so neither you or I can comment, but I can assure you this, when I drive my GTR (when its functional LoL) I drive it like they should be driven.......

Peace.

[Eug]

fair enough dude...

i admit the 100ml/twin was a bit below teh belt, but it appears that everyone who seems to have some sort of force induced car has the notion that NA's are slugs.

but the fact is we arent talking about GTST's here... we're talking about GTS's and whether they are able to hold their own or if its any good.

GTST will always have more power (simple), but there will be other factors drivability (ie. lag.) which may/may not effect how the car is driven especially around a tight track.

we're not comparing NA and turbo here, nor are we comparing driver's abilities... but in the right hands

an NA car is good enough to keep up with the turbo's.

and that at the end of the day is partly what this thread was originally about - and funky summed that up nicely.

Schumacher out.

[Boostzor]

The NA would win in a drag flintstones style.

[gts25t4door]

People say that N/A skylines will beat turbo skylines and I am sure that with a little tinkering of the engine and suspension they could. But not in their standard form.

But you still get all the looks of a Skyline, and not to mention better Fuel econemy with a N/A line. I like all Skylines, not just Turbo Jobbies.

Chris

[Pva_Glue]

People people people!!

You are all right! no need hostility here, and I wont be tolerate it.

each to their own. have own opinions.

but keep it nice.

[DarKZer0]

non turbo cars are pretty much same as turbos but minus the power and I guess better for fuel economy, tho my R32 with a RB25 wastes much more petrol then my GTT.

RB20DE or RB25DE R32 NA will definately not beat a R32 or R33 GTST. As for beating a R34 GTT - you my friend are pushing it too far.

[funkymonkey]

not my fault if said R34 GTt driver can't get the car into the garage properly at the end of the motorkhana course must have been all that power and not enough manueverability.

[Kor'axis]

"no need to get cranky because 100mL and 2 extra turbos are needed to compensate for ability." -- lol, i love this!!!!

[morlock]

more power can sometimes make you slower cause it's not there when u need it....ie down low and midrange.

plus don't the NA motors have slightly higher compression as well? Also the diff ratio will play a part in acceleration which manufacturers take into account when designing NA performance cars. So in tight tracks you may have an advantage off the line and in low speed corners.

having said all that I have a GTST and it's a ball of fun.

[morlock]

oh...and forgot to mention that turbos with heaps of power often unsettle the car in corners with their on or off boost tendencies which will also make u slower on the circuit.

[Julian]

Well... when "racing" on the streets... i believe that it all comes down to GUTS!!!

U must have the balls to lose your license or even your life to push yourself and your car to the furthers limits on the streets ;-)

[Charles Tisse]

What kind of 0-100km/h times would you expect for an R34 NA? (auto that is, not manual). Does the tiptronic make much of a difference to these times?

[cookie300zx]

Well... when "racing" on the streets... i believe that it all comes down to GUTS!!!

U must have the balls to lose your license or even your life to push yourself and your car to the furthers limits on the streets ;-)

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that is possibly one of the most stupid comments i have heard in my life. what happens if you lost control and kill someone else. you may have the balls to lose your life, but would you have the balls to take someone elses? grow the f**k up!

[krzysiu]

that is possibly one of the most stupid comments i have heard in my life. what happens if you lost control and kill someone else. you may have the balls to lose your life, but would you have the balls to take someone elses? grow the f**k up!

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I agree

Julian, are you a f*kkin retard?

Edited October 2, 2005 by krzysiu

[justin911]

maybe someone should stay off the meth for a while...

[Eug]

roflcopterbbqmethojunkie!!!!!11111oneoneone

so if u race on the track it comes down to guts the crap inside, brains, balls and ovaries??

[Julian]

oops... sorry guys, i think u all misunderstood me... I never never encourage street racing... i value myself, my family, friends, and career to behave in such childish ways. I believe in acting responsibly to myself and others...

What i mean was that even though you may drive a GTR turbo / ferrari / lambo, but the guy driving a humble camry or watsoever may still go faster then you, all because he is gusty, skillful, dumb or retard, enough. So even though any of us drive a very pwerful car, don't act like you are king of the road, and behave humbly. Just like many times, when i reach the speed limit, i still see guys in simple cars going much faster...

Be humble or u will be humbled

Hope this clear things up... ;-) no hard feeling...

For those who insulted me, your apologies accepted haha

Seems like people driving Skylines have quite an attitude ha ha B)

Edited October 4, 2005 by Julian