Drag Tag, Thumbs Down To Vic Cops

[justin911]

i dont think there trying to meet stats/quota's i think there trying to tell us were not welcome anymore

[Rekin]

i dont think there trying to meet stats/quota's i think there trying to tell us were not welcome anymore

Pick up any newspaper or watch any media report.

It's either 1000 impounded cars or a list of how many cars impounded in each suburb etc. No doubt the larger numbers they have the more likely the public will believe that the police are making a difference.

Seeing as the police were under fire due to what happened at noble park, they are trying to restore their reputation in the public by having a "Mega Blitz" and easiest way to increase numbers is at these events.

[madbung]

Sorry shouts of entrapment are just plain wrong.

vicpol didn't sell or fit any modified parts, they also didn't suggest or encourage that it be done. They didn't make johnnos commy have bald tyres or cause any other rwc issues....So they didn't invite the people that they also didn't sell/fit/encourage to modify the vehicles of to the event that they didn't organise.

Yep that surely sounds a lot unlike entrapment to me.

coralling or hearding maybe

They did go to a place where they new a large number of offenders may be found instead of driving around aimlessly pulling over randoms or setting up on a highway? YES.. Geez seems like a logical use of resources for a good result when you look at in that light hey.

Stop pointing blame and calling shenaniggans

[justin911]

this might make some of you evan more teary eyed

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.p...t&p=2990479

[Interloper]

mate i dunno wats wrong with some of you guys...

khunjeng and a few others saying grab a tissue - why don't u lube that tissue and wipe your rim cos ure getting f*kd and you're loving it.

lol, good call

All those agreeing with the Police - again you are part of the Problem, not the solution. Its people with your mentality that introduce or suggest these harsh penalties.

whats amazing is that some of the fines people receive for mods are completely disproportionate to their so called offence

general petty criminals often get fined less.

HOONS do not = MODIFIED CARS

Try telling that to the average stupid public. When people at my work found out i drive a modified skyline they straight away made a link to me being a hoon

[NismoR31Jet]

Just so you all know.....as taken from NS.com....

"65A. Improper use of motor vehicle

(1) A person must not drive a motor vehicle in a manner which causes the motor vehicle to undergo loss of traction by one or more of the motor vehicle's wheels.

Penalty: 5 penalty units."

You will note that there is no mention of "highway" in this offence. Which means the offence occurs ANYWHERE. Yes, that's right...even if you were doing circle-work in the back paddock of a farm in the middle of nowhere, entirely on private property, you would still commit the offence.

Also, the organisers of Drag Tag do NOT have permits for the burnouts and drifting that goes on in the 'skid pan' there. So if the cop wanted to be a smart ass, any person taking part in the driving events can be charged and have their car impounded.

[ToF]

Just so you all know.....as taken from NS.com....

"65A. Improper use of motor vehicle

(1) A person must not drive a motor vehicle in a manner which causes the motor vehicle to undergo loss of traction by one or more of the motor vehicle's wheels.

Penalty: 5 penalty units."

You will note that there is no mention of "highway" in this offence. Which means the offence occurs ANYWHERE. Yes, that's right...even if you were doing circle-work in the back paddock of a farm in the middle of nowhere, entirely on private property, you would still commit the offence.

Also, the organisers of Drag Tag do NOT have permits for the burnouts and drifting that goes on in the 'skid pan' there. So if the cop wanted to be a smart ass, any person taking part in the driving events can be charged and have their car impounded.

But hey the law is the law.

Now that everyone knows that law, if you risk it by going to a "legal off-street" event and get done for the hoon laws then as you black/white viewed people say, "tough luck".

BECAUSE THE LAW IS THE LAW SO STOP WHINGING

[R31Nismoid]

re-read that Nissan Silvia thread

I've just spend 30mins reading laws, i reckon the "cop" is wrong

[NismoR31Jet]

I just read your post, nothing gets passed you huh?

All this crap about car parks being public highway and all that....it is just too damn confusing....

I think push bike all the way now!

[R31Nismoid]

hahaa

No, i dont believe a private property to be a sanctioned road section.

I never have and cops have always said it was the case.

It just took me a few beers and the expenditure of a little tad of my growing displeasure @ the Vic Police for me to actually go digging through the Road Safety Act

[ToF]

I really love your determination R31Nismoid.

I'm almost on the same page as you for every post you make regarding police and "hoons".

[NismoR31Jet]

All that legal jargon confuses me, they need a translater.

If there is an online translater to convert Japanese to english, sure there can be a translater to convert legal jargon to regular english?

[R31Nismoid]

Have a few beers John.. or bourbons.

Whatever tickles your fancy really

Its the only "translator" ive found that works consistently for me

Thanks ToF.

I was very hard done by 5 years ago when i was young and naieve.

I will never let a cop/court dick me hard like that again because: "i simply didnt know better"

[Roy]

Havent read the whole thread. Same old same old.

But i will add this. The Vic govt seem confused. The Dept of Sports and Recreation is spending money with CAMS and a private contractor in order to develop plans to improve access to mtorsport facilities...amongst other things.

Two of the main objectives are :

* Providing facilities which meet community sport and recreational needs;

* Identifying and evaluating secondary advantages that would enable motor sport to work with and complement other industries and/or activities (eg: tourism for regions, junior development, young driver road safety awareness programs, etc);

There wont be any need for facilities if they force all the cars off the road and take all the licences of drivers interested in motorsport.

Im all for getting along, and i agree the average modifed car owner may have to wear a little heat for a while after the Noble Park thing. But im not sure the current approach has been thought through by the powers to be.

The police are using the book. Ok, have to accept that. I would love to see a little more discretion being shown as like any bloke and plenty of girls many like their cars as well. But what i think needs to happen is the book needs to change.

Otherwise who is the Govt kidding with this venture with CAMS?

[inark]

inark, check the previous page, down the bottom, sky's reference to the 43th post, and i've got it quoted down near the bottom

that post wasnt stating they pulled over the people doing burnouts or "hooning" outside the venue. Thats just Ks interpretation.

Nor did it state the venue owners encourage the cops to hang right outside the venue so people cant get past without being harrassed.

Once again... people arent reading posts properly and just getting on their high horse and assuming.

[Ruffels]

Sorry shouts of entrapment are just plain wrong.

vicpol didn't sell or fit any modified parts, they also didn't suggest or encourage that it be done. They didn't make johnnos commy have bald tyres or cause any other rwc issues....So they didn't invite the people that they also didn't sell/fit/encourage to modify the vehicles of to the event that they didn't organise.

WRONG, police cars are fitted with a "performance chip" are they not, now i thought modifying or aftermarket ECU's were not allowed... they are under the law also, not above it...

anyways on another note, does anyone know what "1 penalty unit"

is worth, eg $monerty value / demerit points?

[mlyf16]

Yup!! Vic police sends out a clear message, "I have a better chance on the back roads and get away with it, rather than, going to venues such as drag tag knowing they will be there waiting. Yup got that loud n clear.Thanks

Edited February 23, 2007 by mlyf16

[scathing]

how is it talking big?

it all seems logical to me ?

The difference between you and them is that it sounds like your body has completed puberty.

[scathing]

specially ones with no cat converter (general modifications that you get busted for) arent really "SAFETY" problems, they are more epa and pollution laws set in place to protect emmision standards, our atmotsphere etc, so how is it 'OK' if you use your motor vehicle with these epa breaking modifications on a private property? its still polluting isnt it?

Do you know what catalytic converters do?

They help convert poisonous chemicals to non-poisonous ones. So in other words, people driving around with punched cats or test pipes are actually poisoning themselves and those around them. And you don't need to breathe that much of it in for it to affect your body, unlike carbon dioxide which isn't technically poisonous and you'd need a low oxygen content in the air for it to be dangerous.

At least with a dedicated track car its not being driven every day. There isn't a chance of it sitting in peak-hour traffic poisoning those around you. And, relatively speaking, there are few track cars out there. The ones that do exist don't sit in kilometres worth of bumper-to-bumper traffic, idling away. If every car on the road ran without a cat, a significant number of people would probably die during the morning and afternoon jams.

So yes, busting people for cat-less cars is a safety concern.

As for loud exhausts, off-street they've generally zoned the area. Most race tracks and drag strips will have a generous buffer or sound baffling to stop the neighbours from being unduly stressed about the noise these cars generate. Your typical suburban street doesn't. No its not about safety, but its about consideration and respect to the people whose homes and places of business you happen to be driving past.

I thought you fooil sik modifying types were all about respect. Its more than just a bunch of randoms thinking your wang is big because of some number printed on a sheet of paper.

[scathing]

I don't think its fair to put up a defect station somewhere that people in the modified car community put in the effort n try do something legal for once...

They may be trying, but if people are still driving on the street in cars that aren't road legal then its a half-arsed effort because they're still blatantly failing.

Being "legal" means more than not street racing nor doing burnouts.