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sh@un Grand Master

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I don't know what most supercars these days use buy I can't think of many of the top of my head using DSG, but there must be some.

The Veyron is the only one so far.

VAG (who own Bugatti) were the first company to use it in a road car- The Audi TT.

Although the gearbox in the Veyron was developed in conjunction with Riccardo. Over 50,000 man hours worth of development, apparently.

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wrxhoon Grand Master

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conventional autos, and CVTs are VERY different to DSG guys.

I don't know what most supercars these days use buy I can't think of many of the top of my head using DSG, but there must be some.

The difference is simple , tiptronics are autos ( with a torque converter and yes you can change your own gears ) DSG'S are manuals with a clutch but you dont have a clutch pedal , it engages automaticaly , you can change your own gears and can also be used as an auto. Its the way things will go in the future because you have the best of both worlds .

Personaly I can live with a DSG and or a manual but NOT with an autospastic.... I have one right now actualy .... autos suck ...

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Props on taking the plunge and signing your name on the dotted line for the new GTR Jash.

I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say we'll be awaiting your cars arrival with apprehension.

Hope you've got a good camera. :)

sh@un Grand Master

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DSG'S are manuals with a clutch but you dont have a clutch pedal , it engages automaticaly , you can change your own gears and can also be used as an auto

The difference is a bit more profound than that.

Some M-series Beemers, Ferraris and Lambos have used computer clutch controlled semi-auto gearboxes for ages now- But DSG is a twin clutch setup, that pre-engages the next gear up or down depending on the driving style. The control computer disengages one clutch while engaging the alternate clutch as soon as the other one has stopped driving the input shaft. So you have a near seamless gearshift, and almost no idle-time in the power transmission.

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The difference is simple , tiptronics are autos ( with a torque converter and yes you can change your own gears ) DSG'S are manuals with a clutch but you dont have a clutch pedal , it engages automaticaly , you can change your own gears and can also be used as an auto. Its the way things will go in the future because you have the best of both worlds .

Personaly I can live with a DSG and or a manual but NOT with an autospastic.... I have one right now actualy .... autos suck ...

lol, that's exactly what i've been saying... CVT not good. conventional auto not good. DSG very good. DSG is completely different like I said, mainly in that the next gear is already engaged so shifts can be ultra fast.

why does everyone seem to think I have something against DSG?!?! all along I've been saying DSG is excellent and I hope that is what it has.

wrxhoon Grand Master

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The difference is a bit more profound than that.

Some M-series Beemers, Ferraris and Lambos have used computer clutch controlled semi-auto gearboxes for ages now- But DSG is a twin clutch setup, that pre-engages the next gear up or down depending on the driving style. The control computer disengages one clutch while engaging the alternate clutch as soon as the other one has stopped driving the input shaft. So you have a near seamless gearshift, and almost no idle-time in the power transmission.

Well I didn't want to go in the final detail , I wanted to say that they are a manual box with a normal hard coupling , unlike autos that have a torque converter coupling that eats power. These boxes are the way of the future , they are the death of the manual box as we know it now and in my opinion the death of the normal auto as we know it today.

Autos use a lot more fuel than manuals in stop start traffic because of the dreaded torque converter .

DSG ( direct shift gearbox) is the latest of these type of boxes , yes they use 2 wet type clutches one does 3 gears ( 1,3,5 ) and the other does the other 3. The next gear is pre engaged so its very quick change in auto mode but if you want to change it yourself it can be slow when the computer doesn't know when you are going to change, especialy on the down change .

Contary to what people think DSG is developed and built by Borg Warner ( for VW) not developed and built by VW .They will be building them for other car makers as well so you will see heaps more very soon. Getrag is another trany builder that will be building these ( twin clutch boxes), actualy they already have , that could be the one in the new GTR . The new BMs have these getrag boxes in 7 speed , I think they call them DCT.

The BMW SMG and the Ferrari use a different type of box its slower to change gears and both BMW and Ferrari are going the DSG (type) boxes already.

The new evo 10 has a DSG box as well, not sure if its made by Getrag or Brg Warner but its the same set up.

The only uincertainty about these type of boxes is durability but i'm sure they will be made durable and made to hold heaps of torque . They are a little heavier than a normal manual box with the same strength and same amout of gears and cost a little more to make as well. Of course car makers will charge a lot more for them for now anyway..

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oh and DSG have been around for at least 30 years that I know of. porsche used them in racing cars back in the day and I'm sure there were plenty of others too.

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regardless of how quick the DSG shifts

its just not the same .......

Its not a bad thing. I'm quicker everywhere with an manually changed tip auto, and the best part of a DSG is if you cant be bothered with changing you just snick it into D for Drift and away you go.

My OTP read 140 plus on roads - thats well over 150...

Jash

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my goodness people, this is a car competing against the worlds best, and you're going to right it off because you can't row with a 6 speed??? :w00t: you'll NEVER be able to shift as quick as these boxes, EVER!

what's an OTP c-red?

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