2008 F1 Season

[dezz]

lol

Alonso just making me love him even more

He probably didn't need to know what happened as he has first hand experience with Louise's f**k-headedness (that is now a word)

[bnr#@]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/10/8530.html

Watch that you haters questioning every decision the stuarts make. All were good and fair as far as i'm concerned

1. Hamilton actualy SHOVED Kimi over when he was next to him

2. Massa put both wheels across the white line

3. Massa was well and truly past Bordais, on the racing line and moving much faster when Bordais nudged him.

Edited October 15, 2008 by bnr#@

[Beer Baron]

agree with troy about webber. I didn't think he squeezed massa. massa was behind him and webber made his one allowed denfensive move across the line to claim the inside. assuming that any sensible driver will now go to the outside as webber is as close to the white lines as can be. instead massa decides he'll go up the insde and of course has no room as webber was there too. massa should have just manned up when webber moved across and gone around the outside. he had so much more grip and power there would have been no trouble passing anyway. webber's thing was slidng around all over the shop, very unlike webber who is usually pretty smooth.

[Mika]

1. Hamilton actualy SHOVED Kimi over when he was next to him

It was Heikki that made contact with Kimi, not Lewis. Even KR has stated that.

[bnr#@]

I didn't say he made contact, he just shoved forcing Kimi to take evasive action, you can see it clear as day in the very first part of the vid just before he locks up hard. then Kimi gets hit by Heikki for good measure to...

[bnr#@]

Can see it realy well in the third part of the first incident in that vid actually ...

[hrd-hr30]

yeah Stuart's OK in my book too

agree with troy about webber. I didn't think he squeezed massa. massa was behind him and webber made his one allowed denfensive move across the line to claim the inside. assuming that any sensible driver will now go to the outside as webber is as close to the white lines as can be. instead massa decides he'll go up the insde and of course has no room as webber was there too. massa should have just manned up when webber moved across and gone around the outside. he had so much more grip and power there would have been no trouble passing anyway. webber's thing was slidng around all over the shop, very unlike webber who is usually pretty smooth.

I've watched it closely. Massa established overlap on Webber with 2 wheels on that wide white line, then got squeezed further and yet further by Webber. I think Mark was dirty at himself for misjudging how much real estate he left inside, or how much mongrel Massa has in him. I like the new Massa - I still lol everytime I watch him punt hamilton. good boy!

[Mika]

I didn't say he made contact, he just shoved forcing Kimi to take evasive action, you can see it clear as day in the very first part of the vid just before he locks up hard. then Kimi gets hit by Heikki for good measure to...

...and you don't see that happen in 9/10 races and go unpunished? The stewards seem to be setting precedents with penalties this year which will come back to haunt them.

As for Massa on Bourdais, Bourdais' quote says it all - “I don’t know what I was supposed to do basically. I could have unrolled the red carpet and given him the corner. That is the only thing I could have done.”

I don't even like Bourdais!

[Roy]

Looking at the onboard with Massa on Bourdais i think it jsut shows that it was a racing incident. I can see why Massa thinke he had the corner and i can completely understand why Bourdais thinks he had enough space on teh inside to hold his position. Nobody was at fault....after seeign that on board angle i think Massa shoudlnt be crucified for the move...but Bourdais should NOT have been penalised.

As for the Massa/Lewis thing, watching a few more on boards i can also see why Massa tried to hang in there, he shoudl have braked at the last second and got out of it but cant blame the guy for trying to hang in there when he was off line and still in the corner.

Anyway, i think its all been said before. But good on Massa for not being a lap dog that Lewis can drive all over. Lewis has trodden dangerous ground by racing so aggressive, from time to time he may have to cop a few hits on the chin. Makes for good racing though

[blackrex]

Having watched those angles again, I think the following;

Turn 1, LH fault, went in way to hard and late, and his actions caused the contact between KR and HK. It wasn't the same as a normal turn one, much to banzai and risky, as evidenced by how far he went off track. (he might have even been done for a dangerous re entry on to the track, as you can see that RK had to take avoiding action)

Turn 11, I reckon that FM was put off by JT going into the corner, and was aiming to pass JT, when LH went down the inside of him. It also looks like LH tried to tighten the line on exit in an attempt to close the door on FM.

Turn 1, Racing incident, I can understand how both driver could think that they where in the right on it, but I would like to have seen the on board from SB's car.

MW Vs. FM I think that MW has tried to defend, as is allowed, moved across to block an inside run, he's then lost sight of FM in the mirrors and has moved over to the right a bit further (assuming that FM has gone down the LHS of him) to try and find him in the mirrors and not realised that FM was on the inside of him.

[djr81]

In news just in the FIA have announced that entire field will be demoted by ten places on the grip for the Chinese GP.

Maybe the FIA shoudl GTFO & let the drivers sort it out between them. Handbags at ten paces....

I can't even begin to understand why Bourdais was penalised.

Edited October 16, 2008 by djr81

[jager]

where can you watch f1 on the web?? i only find live timing which is a bit boring would like footage

HD is good but live is better

anyone care to share???

[jager]

ooh ahh those 3 incidents u know turn 1, massa and hami, bourdais and massa click here http://www.formula1.com/ then follow the prompt on news feed line can see all 3 incidents and all different angles .... clue its in what do you think

[wolverine]

where can you watch f1 on the web?? i only find live timing which is a bit boring would like footage

HD is good but live is better

anyone care to share???

http://www.soccer-live.pl/ITVF1/formulajeden.php

[wolverine]

at normal speed and from the telecast view it looks like Massa simply goes in too hot. the in car angle changes my impression of what Massa did going into the corner. interesting to see him go opposite lock to try to avoid contact with the car in front before LH rounds him up.

[Roy]

Well my tip for this weekend is Hamo. Surely he cant choke again this weekend? Perhaps my tip will mean he crashes out in a good case of brain fade. Come on Kubz, from out of nowhere liek Kimi last year...YOU CAN DO IT!

[Mika]

Hamilton by 0.39 over Massa, Kimi and Heikki. Let's see what happens in the sessions to come

Edited October 17, 2008 by Mika

[Marco-R34GTT]

http://www.soccer-live.pl/ITVF1/formulajeden.php

Is this broken for any one else???

Won't load for me...

[Roy]

Well an e WDC just made the point i made months ago about how Lewis refusing to accept that their could be merit in what some of his detractors are saying. He doesnt honestly believe he is making mistakes etc...they are jsut racing incidents or someont/something was to blame

"He's been thrown in very young and been told for many years that he's the best in the world," the winner of 11 Grand Prix said. "At some point you end up believing that and I guess that happens to most drivers at some point in their careers."

He started off on the right foot...but suspect Ferrari are not showing their hand yet

[Roy]

Well Webber gets a 10 place penalty for an engien change. IF RBR had any thinkers they woudl buy him well into the top 4 with a light fuel load. Get him to start the GP in say 13-15th with the pnealty, pit him early and have a long second stint where most of it will be free of traffic so he can get some net time. He can make up some early positions with a light fuel load in the early laps of the race, and then for the last 15 laps or so he will again be light on fuel with fresh tyres so can have some pace.....but RBR dont seem to be one for tactics...very stale approach to their racing

That is provided Webber can get into Q3