Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

Placebos work, that's why they are called placebos.

Not always. Be specific. If you are refering to being properly strong or massive they don't. Placebo steroids ?

If your body is weak then train it, if you want it stronger. If your mind is weak or is presenting a road block then consider training it also.

Some assume that just because someone takes steroids you will grow by doing nothing. Must train even harder, eat a lot better, accurate amount of calories and most importantly, do the steroids properly. Too many at my gym have geared (abused the shit) for more than 3 months straight because they are too scared once they stop lol. Make sure they got some good quality HCG on standby haha.

i know a guy who got on the gear. Didn't do anything right so he eventually lost all the size he gained. Anyway put on 12kg during the cycle (dont know how much actual muscle) basically said he was starving constantly, had so much energy, recovered from previous sessions so much quicker and was almost a walking boner.

Not always. Be specific. If you are refering to being properly strong or massive they don't. Placebo steroids ?

If your body is weak then train it, if you want it stronger. If your mind is weak or is presenting a road block then consider training it also.

It wouldn't be a placebo if it didn't work.

You said Pre trainers are a placebo. Therefore they do the job of making people think they are stronger/train harder. Therefore, no matter what the ingredient makeup is, it works in your 'they are a placebo' theory.

Definition of it for you as we are not on the same page.

Palcebo is a simulated or otherwise medically ineffectual treatment for a disease or other medical condition intended to deceive the recipient.

Sometimes patients given a placebo treatment will have a perceived or actual improvement in a medical condition, a phenomenon commonly called the placebo effect.

So my present view of the average off the shelf PWO is both;

a) medically ineffectual (placebo)

b) improvements are only perceived & not actual. In the mind of the users. (placebo effect)

The only thing that has a big effect in any pre workout is caffeine. If you think otherwise then you don't know pre workouts very well.

However, caffeine works. So pre workouts that have caffeine(which is 99% of them) are not a placebo, and can make you perform better, however only due to the caffeine content.

Definition of it for you as we are not on the same page.

Palcebo is a simulated or otherwise medically ineffectual treatment for a disease or other medical condition intended to deceive the recipient.

Sometimes patients given a placebo treatment will have a perceived or actual improvement in a medical condition, a phenomenon commonly called the placebo effect.

So my present view of the average off the shelf PWO is both;

a) medically ineffectual (placebo)

b) improvements are only perceived & not actual. In the mind of the users. (placebo effect)

So if they do two reps on Pre workout but only one without it, it's still effective... Therefore works.

I agree, it's possibly in the mind, but if that's what makes them think and be able to do more it's working isn't it?

So if they do two reps on Pre workout but only one without it, it's still effective... Therefore works.

I agree, it's possibly in the mind, but if that's what makes them think and be able to do more it's working isn't it?

both efforts are likely to be piss weak based on the people I have seen who take them.

People looking for an easy way out don't try hard enough.

Funny to read.

We dont use pre workouts, but we use pre comps. Using anything on a regular basis dulls the effect. We only use the banned products, 1-3 x year. Jacked and Craze work best. Simply used for focus. Guys don't lift anything more than they expected too pre comp, so they get no kg added, just enables them to do whats expected. Oddly enough the same thing happened in 2011 when we had no pre comp drinks.

Make up your own minds, but I think its an utter waste for a non competing gym goer. Again, Max can get it free through sponsorship and doesn't.

Edited by markos

We have different kind of clients, the serious ones would die before missing, the regular ones miss consistently.

Its a choice. Only you know if your able. Our serious ones know what the session weights and reps will be beforehand, its not like they can come in and fluff around. It also sets them back one week in their prep. We run a tight schedule so you might not make that session up, which affects your total on comp day.

Someone without a comp couldnt care less if he misses a session, he'll just do it next time.

My problem with most regular PWO users is that in 99.9% of them, you can spot an obvious issue with either their diet, routine, or rest periods. The marketed nature of the product is geared towards people who throw money at problems to make them go away quickly. The mindset of the regular PWO user is therefore the same kind of person who:

- skips gym if their personal trainer or gym buddy can't make it

- recommends to much stronger/bigger people that they try the PWO too

- brags about the PWO giving them an extra rep on an isolation movement

- is "cutting" for a music festival and struggling to get through their regular workout

- skipped lunch that day

- got drunk the night before and had 4 hours sleep

- has about 3-5 supplements from GNC

Funny to read.

We dont use pre workouts, but we use pre comps. Using anything on a regular basis dulls the effect. We only use the banned products, 1-3 x year. Jacked and Craze work best. Simply used for focus. Guys don't lift anything more than they expected too pre comp, so they get no kg added, just enables them to do whats expected. Oddly enough the same thing happened in 2011 when we had no pre comp drinks.

Make up your own minds, but I think its an utter waste for a non competing gym goer. Again, Max can get it free through sponsorship and doesn't.

I have used pre workouts in the past. 3x scoops of the old Jackd and I was still yawning in the gym and ready for bed by 9pm. The only thing I have ever used a pre workout for is a bit of a prep and some focus. Only ever noticed that on the days where I was really out of it mentally.

This one that I tried, although I don't believe the amazing results that they claim, it tasted alright and I can assure you I was focused like no tomorrow. Will be interesting to see if it was just a one off or not as I have another 2-3 samples to try.

Funnily, the PWOs that I consider to be effective actually make me yawn like crazy and feel like going to sleep between sets lol, even though there's no chance that'd happen. Strange.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Latest Posts

    • I'm not going to recommend an EBC pad. I don't like them. Just about anything else would suit me better. I've been using Intima pads for a while now.
    • Agreed, and in particular the earth strap that should go from the subframe to the chassis but it often broken or left off. There is a section in the R32 workshop manual you can follow for troubleshooting if you don't see anything suspicious, and depending where you are (there is no location on your user profile) you should be able to get your hands on a second hand replacement unit still if needed
    • Yeah they mention as a R34 for 2.5 Turbo...but then again thos "small" were also for R34 by that different site. But i look into it and that 310mm EBC is for R34 GTT. And by those you linked the specs are the same 🙂    EDIT: I found these on one site here: DBA 4000 series T3 DBA42304S They are 310mm...and it says are for R34GTT...are there good? EDIT2: ok they have pads too.  What "color" should i get for street use? I dont want/need some noisy ones...(and if they are not that dusty that is good too)
    • Yeah, shame. Maybe  driver's carpet is available 🙏. I am waiting for both amayama and nangun to confirm.
    • Probably. I take it that they are also mentioned to be for R34 Skyline? For example.... RDA has that part as RDA7957. I have the dimpled and slotted version of that on my car https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/285518478694?srsltid=AfmBOopKxMuAFpsxZJdB1cam4D5RAj1f9yJyOttPZLAwXVNCOiwlhrIy This is DBA's top one piece equivalent https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/364246686631?srsltid=AfmBOorbb0XHQgqTvZLgQPhg70nqJtGvdojKnugum3O2LFSr2h-obp8D  
×
×
  • Create New...