Few Dyno Run Vids Of The New 26 And K5-660r

[Beer Baron]

I read the thread twice.

I can't see how this is a budget build.

and I also can't see the dyno vid... just pics.

something removed?

did you click on them? they work fine for me.

as for budget he's saying it's a cheaper way of getting a very responsive set-up rather than going for a 2.8 or 3 litre build up. that with the 2.6 and the current gear it's a good package without having to spend the extra dough on strokers etc.

[TTT]

Ah I see.. work firewall etc etc.

[STATUS]

did you click on them? they work fine for me.

as for budget he's saying it's a cheaper way of getting a very responsive set-up rather than going for a 2.8 or 3 litre build up. that with the 2.6 and the current gear it's a good package without having to spend the extra dough on strokers etc.

yeah this build was very reasonable, i have not seen another setup so responsive with the same power @ 18-19psi without being a stroker... all the customers ive talked to about thier setups about have been qouted charged at least 5k-7k more for similar results..

to me saving 5k-7k makes it a budget build.

[STATUS]

Ah I see.. work firewall etc etc.

try direct here is my album with all the vids/pics in it.

http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/URASaustralia/

[Roy]

Count, dont go T04Z. Archie with the mint R32 GTR down here had one on his car. It made nice power and was very progressive. Didnt feel like a big single at all as it didnt hit like everyone woudl hve you believe. But it was a bit dull in the early to mid and didnt really come alive to 4,500-5,000rpm. He now runs twins dash 5 or 7s and couldnt be happier.

So, stop farking around and stick with the combo you got, then grab a 20G for the S13 for some gate action

Awesome work Trent. No doubt the Garrets are a good thing, but far too many people use them and often there is a great untried combination out there. 3 or 4 years ago there is no way people would let you even consider a plain bearing turbo, Greddy Turbo etc. But with results like this then its all food for thought. Now throw some PE low mount twins on, i want to know how they perform

[STATUS]

^^^ BB you know roy is right you need the L2-20g on that s13

[Beer Baron]

haha, but the 518Z is not too shabby. more power would always be nice. I am always open to swaps though.....

give me your TD set-up troy and you can try the 518Z. see what it's like at 2 bar.

[SECURITY]

hey Trent, are you still using the emu to tune this? would the #9 be better suited to an rb30?

i might be making a trip down to melb soon. i might swing past your shop for a tune if you're free when the time comes. plus i still need to figure out how to completely remove the MAF!

[JAGR33]

yeah this build was very reasonable, i have not seen another setup so responsive with the same power @ 18-19psi without being a stroker... all the customers ive talked to about thier setups about have been qouted charged at least 5k-7k more for similar results..

to me saving 5k-7k makes it a budget build.

mmm, I fail to see how this is a budget setup when you have to buy a turbo, manifold, wastegate, custom dump/front pipe, oil lines etc... when some low mount garrets will support the same power (and better response) than this setup, on standard manifolds.

Even more impressive is how it all looks standard under the bonnet..

[DRIFTER]

yeah thats fine, as long as you don't have to work on it.

[GeeTR]

^^

I use that line as well lol

[unique1]

agreed with two posts above, the twins are an absolute nightmare to work on and i wont have twins ever again on any of my rb26s unless i need to make it look stock for passing an inspection, the single is sooo nice to work on, i know it shouldnt need to be worked on but that never happens in a gtr lol

[STATUS]

mmm, I fail to see how this is a budget setup when you have to buy a turbo, manifold, wastegate, custom dump/front pipe, oil lines etc... when some low mount garrets will support the same power (and better response) than this setup, on standard manifolds.

Even more impressive is how it all looks standard under the bonnet..

name them? the only things ive seen come close are on 2.7-2.9l.. plus twins are a nightmare (been there done the -5 and T517z's)... underbonnet looks are never a consideration on any of my cars.... .

[archie01]

Count, dont go T04Z. Archie with the mint R32 GTR down here had one on his car. It made nice power and was very progressive. Didnt feel like a big single at all as it didnt hit like everyone woudl hve you believe. But it was a bit dull in the early to mid and didnt really come alive to 4,500-5,000rpm. He now runs twins dash 5 or 7s and couldnt be happier.

BB yep Roy is right. The single TO4z i had was a heck of a lot better from a response and outright power persepective than the T78 i had before. However compared to the twin -5's I have now they are better still. A lot less doughy low to mid compared to the TO4z and so i get much better average power which is what i want on the circuit. I gave Roy a drive with the single TO4z just so that he could feel first hand the dullness in the low to mid range that i was telling him about b/c he thought that it really shouldn't be that unresponsive down low going from all the talk on the net and dyno graphs of other single T04z's etc

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the TO4z is a bad turbo, it's not, it just didn't suit my purposes......if i had 3ltrs though I would have stayed with the single

If your intention is for a responsive ~350rwkw then I would recommend sticking to twins -5's.

URAS, the -5's you mentioned would be one of the turbo's i imagine JAGR33 would name They have pushed over 360rwkw on a number of standard stroke gtr's not to mention 400rwkw+ on an rb29

[JAGR33]

name them? the only things ive seen come close are on 2.7-2.9l..

That's the problem, your making assumptions on what YOU have seen.

There's no point naming them, there's too many....

Maybe you should attend a SAU VIC track day and you might see half a dozen of them....

And I still can't see how your setup is a 'budget' setup..

You mention the Blitz K5 turbo u have is twice the price of a GT3540..

P.S on Snowy's car being a 2.7....

[STATUS]

That's the problem, your making assumptions on what YOU have seen.

There's no point naming them, there's too many....

Maybe you should attend a SAU VIC track day and you might see half a dozen of them....

And I still can't see how your setup is a 'budget' setup..

You mention the Blitz K5 turbo u have is twice the price of a GT3540..

P.S on Snowy's car being a 2.7....

who is saying i havent been present? .... must admit ive never mingled but will soon as i get my car finished, i live 1 street from sandown so watching and not participating at a track so close to home is frustrating

im not wanting to start as pissing contest but i am just sick of so many one eyed skyline owners.... there are many ways to skin a cat and i found the -5's did not provide the results i wanted... i have never said this is "THE SETUP" it is just A SETUP... and including a full eng build was done on a budget... im not going to post exactly how much but it was a four figure budget not a 5 figure budget.... all up and could be replicated for a customer under 5 figures too.... with either -5, gt3540 or K5.

BTW you mentioned snowy how much did snowy's setup cost? my dyno graph shows the same power at the same speeds/ rpm and i hazzard to say the same torque.

as for pricing,i think you took my qoute too literally

Blitz K5-660r retail is $3475 (i paid $1600 as it was old stock, no stock turns in 6mths)

GT3540 retail is $2075

GT2860R-5 retail is $2990 pair

now if we shop around we can save considerable coin, $500 more retail than the -5 twins is not a huge amount in the whole scheme of things.

[Lithium]

Peak torque is 537.4Nm @ 4707rpm

Peak power is 340.4 @ 7297rpm (this run was stopped early, it made around 355 at 8000 on later runs)

The things last ages which is one of the reasons i went this route over a garret, they tend to take more abuse (material going through bearings etc) they are T3 flange but you could probaly buy 2 gt3540's for the price of one K5 but the GT3540 just dont perform any where near as good.

Blitz K5-660r retail is $3475 (i paid $1600 as it was old stock, no stock turns in 6mths)

GT3540 retail is $2075

GT2860R-5 retail is $2990 pair

Very nice, looks like fun - how much boost is it running to do that?

Something I'm not too sure about however is that last comment - especially performing anywhere near as good? Can you elaborate please, I certainly can't see anything on that dyno plot which shows it having anything over a GT3582R - what I see on that plot is a car making GT3076R power with GT3582R lag. At this stage I have not met anyone who have had reliability issues with a GT3582R yet and have various mates using them for circuit racing at quite high boost levels, making much more power than what you have posted in this thread... and if you have had a Garrett BB failure because of contamination it wouldn't be the turbo I'd be criticising.

At this stage it looks like you can buy a 6boost manifold and a GT3582R for the same price as just a K5-660R by itself, so I am at a loss for what the advantage is? Please bare with me, you must expect being questioned if you are going to make such statements - the Blitz/KKK turbos are definitely a minority amongst the tuner turbos so if someone comes up with one on their car, and makes wild claims about performance it definitely makes one want to know more about it

Cheers.

[STATUS]

^^16-17psi resulted in 355.

[juggernaut1]

Given its a hub dyno what sort of "correction factor" do we need to take into account to make a comparison to say a dyno dynamics dyno.

Typically I've seen hub dyno's read around 10% higher - would I be on the right track?

[Roy]

i have never said this is "THE SETUP" it is just A SETUP...

One that looks to provide good results. I can understand everyone is a creature of their experiences, but i love it when from time to time people try something a bit different and get great results. Once upon a time 2530s were the turbo to have because everubody said so. Then the T517z did the rounds and now its the -5s. If people dont try something different then...

And yes T04Z on RB26 was big disappointment, ,my RB20 with TD06 wasnt any worse off boost (even with 600cc less) and onto boost my setup made a bit more seat of the pants curry earlier. It still went well, but i think expectation was too high from the all the people sayign T04Z = big power and response.