Tarmac Rallying Perpetual Thread

[Neil]

Ended the event with the front brake pads worn half way through the backing plate and a car that was overheating and down on power.

Great to see you got your moneys worth out of those pads mate.

Remind me never ever to be on the same strip of tarmac as you.

Cheers

Neil.

[Bazil_1]

< 300km old Ferodo DS3000 pads, got over 700kms of competitive out of the last set... Even checked them at service after day one and they were no where near the metal by then. Brakes were working fine and didn't make any noise until after the last Buller stage. Won't be using those next year that's for sure!

[fatz]

I can vouch for piss bins style(baszil_1) i have a photo of him making love to a large thomas the tank engine from behind... adjacent to the goulburn workers club

he fell over a fence lost his i pod then made love to a bucket... funniest shit ever

he went to sleep fully clothed and woke up naked

will race with and drink with again A++++ form!

[Darkside]

< 300km old Ferodo DS3000 pads, got over 700kms of competitive out of the last set... Even checked them at service after day one and they were no where near the metal by then. Brakes were working fine and didn't make any noise until after the last Buller stage. Won't be using those next year that's for sure!

Happy new year evrryone. Hope its off to a good start with lots of petrol related plans.

Used to be a ferodo guy, but have switched to Pagid and been very impressed with performance and low pad/rotor qear. RS19/29 is a good tarmac rally choice IMHO.

And congrats on the shell Paul. First thing I thought when I saw the pic was what an ideal starting colour for a Z tune replica build. Should be epic.

Edited January 8, 2012 by Darkside

[paulR32gtr]

Glad to see you're rebuilding so soon Paul. Was great to meet you at THC and i'm sure i'll see you out at future events.

Likewise mate great meeting you guys and see you out there soon. All the best for Wrest Point.

I can vouch for piss bins style(baszil_1) i have a photo of him making love to a large thomas the tank engine from behind... adjacent to the goulburn workers club

he fell over a fence lost his i pod then made love to a bucket... funniest shit ever

he went to sleep fully clothed and woke up naked

Bwahahha top work Liam - right up my alley.

Used to be a ferodo guy, but have switched to Pagid and been very impressed with performance and low pad/rotor qear. RS19/29 is a good tarmac rally choice IMHO.

And congrats on the shell Paul. First thing I thought when I saw the pic was what an ideal starting colour for a Z tune replica build. Should be epic.

Can also vouch for the Pagids - worked very well with no fuss. Bit more expensive than the Ferodo's but well worth it from all accounts.

Shell will be off for a cage in the next week or two. Just finished stripping all wiring, tar etc and finishing cleaning up. Z-tune kit is en route

[full_noise]

Can also vouch for the Pagids - worked very well with no fuss. Bit more expensive than the Ferodo's but well worth it from

The pagids worked real well for you champ......

Advise should really be given by people with experience....

[paulR32gtr]

The pagids worked real well for you champ......

Advise should really be given by people with experience....

Thanks for your input buddy.

[paulR32gtr]

The pagids worked real well for you champ......

Advise should really be given by people with experience....

Nah you know what.

1) I had been using the same set of Pagids since July doing two, sometimes three track days a month

2) I changed the front pads right before THC, they are were at about 30% so keeping them as spares, rotors didn't need machining

3) Pretty sure that same set did TT 2011 to a 2nd EM - previous owner could confirm, he had them on there for a reason, Blaise (1st EM) is also recommending the Pagids a few posts above - go figure

4) I have only used DS2500's on a street car, so yes you are right I don't have much experience with them, in their limited use pad wear was considerable, going from other people I have spoken it varies, some find they wear fast, others don't, and the 3000's are hard on rotors and probably not best suited to TR

5) My crash was in no way brake related, it was driver error - rubbing salt into someones wound - class act mate look forward to racing with you

The pads are only one part of the equation for longevity, but they seem to play the part well from my experience.

Is that enough Poole? Pleasure to meet you. Not sure why you feel the need to belittle someone you don't even know? How about you try adding something to the discussion - maybe you will teach me something with all your infinite wisdom. Good day.

[sav man]

I used Pagid once, but moved to Hawke. We've always ran HT10's in the R33, and I've been running them in the gtst. I found the Pagids started to disintergrate when they got low on pad material.

[Marlin]

It's funny, I use the DS3000 (fr) and DS2500 (rr) on my little 32 GTS-t, and they've been VERY kind to rotors (one set still AOK after 3 years) and very ecenomical. . . . . I rotate two sets and am not even half way through each.

Maybe my low powered R32 just doesn't work them hard? Or maybe I need to brake more?

[sav man]

My rotors and pads are barly used on the gtst either. Helps that we're stopping 300-400kg less than the gtr's

[Bazil_1]

Used to be a ferodo guy, but have switched to Pagid and been very impressed with performance and low pad/rotor qear. RS19/29 is a good tarmac rally choice IMHO.

Can also vouch for the Pagids - worked very well with no fuss. Bit more expensive than the Ferodo's but well worth it from all accounts.

Can also vouch for the Pagids - worked very well with no fuss. Bit more expensive than the Ferodo's but well worth it from

Thanks guys, i'll keep them in mind for our next set. Ended up going with some Performance Friction carbon metalic pads which weren't cheap and are apparently pretty harsh on the rotors. Hopefully we can get at least 500kms out of them though!

In other news the car just got back from getting a bigger pump/injectors/rail and a 3.5" exhaust (3" - 3.5" - 3" before) and is now around 330kw atw. Turns out the car did have a pretty significant boost leak so it wasn't just me thinking the car was getting slower towards the end of THC.

TWP is just around the corner now and hopefully everything goes to plan

[2pee]

Thanks guys, i'll keep them in mind for our next set. Ended up going with some Performance Friction carbon metalic pads which weren't cheap and are apparently pretty harsh on the rotors. Hopefully we can get at least 500kms out of them though!

Depending on what compound you're running, actually found them pretty good for rotor wear - old 80 series and the last few years stuff, might be a different story perhaps. Ebay bookmark on PFC can come in handy too for excess stock, picked up V8SC 01s that normally go for 1k per axle set here for only a few hundred for 2 sets.

[Darkside]

It's funny, I use the DS3000 (fr) and DS2500 (rr) on my little 32 GTS-t, and they've been VERY kind to rotors (one set still AOK after 3 years) and very ecenomical. . . . . I rotate two sets and am not even half way through each.

Maybe my low powered R32 just doesn't work them hard? Or maybe I need to brake more?

Nah,

I'd say its cause you are using them well. Only time I found them hard on rotors is when they weren't up to temp.

My only issue with them was I found the initial bite great in the dry, but found it could be a bit aggressive in the wet and really upset the ABS and make bad things happen. I guess I could have just manned up and got rid of the ABS. Wont be a problem for me in the future.

Edited January 16, 2012 by Darkside

[paulR32gtr]

I found the Pagids started to disintergrate when they got low on pad material.

Yeah you are right they are cracking up a bit around the edges and a few chunks out of the middle of the pad. How far did you push yours before changing them?

Or maybe I need to brake more?

Reckon that might be it lol.

Only time I found them hard on rotors is when they weren't up to temp.

This makes sense. The 3000's peak between 500 - 600 deg but still have as much friction as the 2500's at 300, the 2500's taper off after 300. I guess a lot of the reports of high pad / rotor wear could just be to do with pad overkill with the 3000's and not getting them up to temp, or not having adequate cooling with the 2500's.

Have any of you guys measured your brake temps after stages?

[Marlin]

I've not measured temps, but my rotors have the heat paint and they're peak has been spot on in the middle of the orange area. I warm my brakes prior to stages if we're not expecting a big delay. The heat produced also warms the front tyres and brings them up to pressure.

Blaise, your wet findings are not something I've noted for myself, but I'm keen to take particualr notice next time I run the car in the wet, if I ever get the bloody thing going again! haha

[poolheaters]

Over the last 4-5 years we have used all different brands of pads on our tarmac and gravel cars. The pagids have been a great gravel pad (RS4-blue) and used them on the tarmac Escort too. Great feel and wear, but not ultimate stopping power.

Endless didn't work for us, Hawk didn't either.

Have been through the Ferodo DS range too on the Skylines and WRX's. Good pads but always a problem somewhere in the heat range- no grip when cold, brake shake & inconsistency when hot..

Switched to Project U' before Targe HC 2010 and have never looked back. Amazing performance hot or cold, great pad wear and minimal disc wear. The front AP rotors are now at just under 3000kms competitive and are due for replacement. We use the top "street" pad ( HC or HC+?) and they are simply brilliant. Have them in the dirt Subaru too and the characteristics are the same. We will keep using these for now, although apparently Project U' now have a "clubman" range..haven't tried these yet?

The trick with pads for Targa is somerthing that will work stone cold, or at 700+ degrees, and not eat your rotors. Targa 2009 Melinda had great brakes on the WRX but wore out $1500 worth of rotors in 100kms competitive...

Cheers

paul

[paulR32gtr]

Interesting looking at the Pagid Yellow RS29's - they maintain pretty consistent friction between 200 - 550 where they peak, but not as much as the 3000's at the same temp. Bit more of a no brainer pad I guess - suits me! Where the 3000's - if you are warming them up properly will give better friction at peak.

[Marlin]

I'll agree the Ferodo's can give off some shake when really punished. I've managed to skim the same rotors 3 times VERY lightly. They're not warped, they had some of what could only be described as pad buildup on them. I've not had to change the rotors and they're still of "legal" width.

I've heard so many good things about Project MU's though, that I'm keen to give them a try next time.

[Roy]

Thanks guys, i'll keep them in mind for our next set. Ended up going with some Performance Friction carbon metalic

What compound? I have driven a car with what I was told were PFC01s and I loved them. Really, really nice. I grabbed some PFC06 which are meant to be the Endurance spec PFC01 with a little less bite but far kinder on rotors and I simply found them WAAAAY too bitey and was forever locking brakes Was a tad gutted