AllenSaldi Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Here's an older one. It's had a bit more tuning since then but never got a graph.I've got the Step 1 kit. How do you drive the car (drag, street, circuit, etc.) and how often? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4117613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithium Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 (edited) Oh I suppose I could have posted a dyno plot of an R34 GTR with stock turbos vs the same car running an RB30DET with a T04Z: Edited September 7, 2008 by Lithium Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4117687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmikespec Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Oh I suppose I could have posted a dyno plot of an R34 GTR with stock turbos vs the same car running an RB30DET with a T04Z: Overlay Paul's dynograph in Twoogle too, that would be interesting. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4117700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithium Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) Bare in mind Dirt Garage's car was built to basically set records, the R34 was put together to be an awesome street friendly one- more about drivability and general accessible grunt. A better comparison would probably be one of a RIPS built street/drag car running an RB30DET with a GT4202R on it - here is a comparison of each of their pump gas tunes. (edit: I had the RB30DET T04Z overlayed initially but it looked like a lower powered big block V8 compared with a RB26 so it wasn't really a logical comparison) Edited September 8, 2008 by Lithium Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4117815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonn Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 How do you drive the car (drag, street, circuit, etc.) and how often? All of the above. It's just started to see some circuit action but have also had it down the drags (just the once on shitty old tyres). It's built as a track day car and am planning on doing more events / track days in the near future. It certainly won't do a 9 and I would say at a push with better tyres etc it may, just may crack an 11.0. I drive it everyday I can but I work offshore and overseas so probably do max 5000kms per year in it. The response is awesome and pulls like a train (Ant Scali's technical term) to 8000rpm. Feels like it's got a lot more than 522hp now and as I write this planning to get some more tuning done as soon as I get home. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4117858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenSaldi Posted September 8, 2008 Author Share Posted September 8, 2008 Nice .... I'm starting to consider a built RB30 Block with a RB25 Head. Turbo of choice for this combination (street/drag in mind hehe) would be a Garrett GT42R LoL Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4118079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmikespec Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Bare in mind Dirt Garage's car was built to basically set records, the R34 was put together to be an awesome street friendly one- more about drivability and general accessible grunt. A better comparison would probably be one of a RIPS built street/drag car running an RB30DET with a GT4202R on it - here is a comparison of each of their pump gas tunes. (edit: I had the RB30DET T04Z overlayed initially but it looked like a lower powered big block V8 compared with a RB26 so it wasn't really a logical comparison) I guess whether to rebuilt with a stroker or not is a generally a personal preference in how you want your GTR to deliver its power/torque. It is easy to see why people are looking at RB30 blocks when it comes to a rebuild, results speak for themselves, so does the price of the block. I am not sure about what needs to be done to make it fit into a 4WD GTR (my guess is a lot), but would be a good comparison pricewise. Full RB26 build to handle 10000rpm vs a built RB30. Maybe I have missed the point of the thread? Anyway, I would rebuild my RB26 to handle mad rpm, but, considering the point of this thread I would go the JUN 2771cc to stay true to some sort of Nissan Motorsport heritage (the GT cars in Japan are 2771cc I believe). Mike Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4118094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.I.P.S NZ Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 $12k for a standard rebuilt bottom end RB30..no thanks. I don't know where you got that info from, our forged shortblocks that hold over 1000hp arn't even that expensive. Our rebuilt stock internal bottom ends start at $4000. http://www.ripsracing.com/products.html It would be nice if you could get your facts right before you post Rob Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4118284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I don't know where you got that info from, our forged shortblocks that hold over 1000hp arn't even that expensive.Our rebuilt stock internal bottom ends start at $4000. http://www.ripsracing.com/products.html It would be nice if you could get your facts right before you post Rob Hey Rob, Just wanna say nice work on all your cars, you are by far the best fabricator ive seen. Should start trading on SAU, im sure you would get alot of business once people see your threads on the UK based forum eg Black r34 gtr and black drag gtr. That build thread kept me entertained for ages. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4119969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenSaldi Posted September 8, 2008 Author Share Posted September 8, 2008 Hey Rob, Just wanna say nice work on all your cars, you are by far the best fabricator ive seen.Should start trading on SAU, im sure you would get alot of business once people see your threads on the UK based forum eg Black r34 gtr and black drag gtr. That build thread kept me entertained for ages. +1 ... All the work I have seen come from your shop is absolutely stunning, not to mention I have watched some pretty astounding videos where some of the cars you built are at the drag strip. Props my friend, props! -Allen Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4120163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiTAN Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Given the exchange rate USD > NZD you could seriously look into getting a RIPS short/long block shipped over to you as they do a lot of builds for international customers. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4120425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dano4127 Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I am one of the happy international customers My "stroker kit" of choice is the RIPS RB30DET but i guess i could be biased... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4120432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenSaldi Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 I got in contact with Rob From RIPS today and basically for a fully built turn key RB30/RB26 good for 850+whp what I'm looking at is in the area of $40,000 plus. This kit is basically a turn key kit with everything and I mean everything included. I was adding things up for the total build and its actually more, plus you gotta factor in all the time and extra labor when it come to building a whole car like that. So looks like I know which route I'm going. I've just decided I'm gonna put the car down for a while and just do the entire build at once. I better start working more hours and saving more money lol! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4121244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dano4127 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 what do you mean by everything... List would be nice Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4121371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithium Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I got in contact with Rob From RIPS today and basically for a fully built turn key RB30/RB26 good for 850+whp what I'm looking at is in the area of $40,000 plus. This kit is basically a turn key kit with everything and I mean everything included. I was adding things up for the total build and its actually more, plus you gotta factor in all the time and extra labor when it come to building a whole car like that. So looks like I know which route I'm going. I've just decided I'm gonna put the car down for a while and just do the entire build at once. I better start working more hours and saving more money lol! Sorry it might be that my brain is on holiday today - but I'm not quite sure what you mean by you have decided. Does this mean you are going to do RB30? And if so you will soon, or will wait for a while first? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4121388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1GTR Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I got in contact with Rob From RIPS today and basically for a fully built turn key RB30/RB26 good for 850+whp what I'm looking at is in the area of $40,000 plus. This kit is basically a turn key kit with everything and I mean everything included. I was adding things up for the total build and its actually more, plus you gotta factor in all the time and extra labor when it come to building a whole car like that. So looks like I know which route I'm going. I've just decided I'm gonna put the car down for a while and just do the entire build at once. I better start working more hours and saving more money lol! +1 on the list Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4121433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.I.P.S NZ Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 +1 on the list Most people don't realise how much is involved in doing a high power re-power properly. When you build a real good bottom end with big oil pump, big sump, good quality front damper, balancing etc, water pump, cam belt etc etc, then buy a brand new head and get world class porting and fill the head with tomei components then use good studs, good gaskets and cover the 3 or 4 days labour it takes to properly blueprint and assemble a complete long motor your up to nzd30-32k for a long motor easy as. Then you start adding ex manifold, turbo, dump pipe, oil and water lines, air intake, wastegate, screamer, gaskets etc, intake plenim, throttle body, injectors, fuel rail, fpr, rocker covers and other covers with custom paint etc and you can soon see how it all adds up. From what I have been told, its very common for a UK built 1000hp capable motor without all the extras to be 25k pounds at least and the top guys there are only running similar mph in their pro GTRs as we have run in our heavier street car with street tyres so we give very good value for money. basicly, it soon adds up to alot more than most think when they start there "1000hp" build. Rob Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4121832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R31Nismoid Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 40k for 850whp (i take i can use rwhp) is a pretty bloody good deal. 600rwkw don't come cheap, although @ 40k its certainly not what id call expensive at all. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4121860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FineLine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Most people don't realise how much is involved in doing a high power re-power properly.When you build a real good bottom end with big oil pump, big sump, good quality front damper, balancing etc, water pump, cam belt etc etc, then buy a brand new head and get world class porting and fill the head with tomei components then use good studs, good gaskets and cover the 3 or 4 days labour it takes to properly blueprint and assemble a complete long motor your up to nzd30-32k for a long motor easy as. Then you start adding ex manifold, turbo, dump pipe, oil and water lines, air intake, wastegate, screamer, gaskets etc, intake plenim, throttle body, injectors, fuel rail, fpr, rocker covers and other covers with custom paint etc and you can soon see how it all adds up. From what I have been told, its very common for a UK built 1000hp capable motor without all the extras to be 25k pounds at least and the top guys there are only running similar mph in their pro GTRs as we have run in our heavier street car with street tyres so we give very good value for money. basicly, it soon adds up to alot more than most think when they start there "1000hp" build. Rob What percentage of the cost would you apply to the head versus the bottom end Rob? And why would you go for a brand new head? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4121863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dano4127 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Most people don't realise how much is involved in doing a high power re-power properly.When you build a real good bottom end with big oil pump, big sump, good quality front damper, balancing etc, water pump, cam belt etc etc, then buy a brand new head and get world class porting and fill the head with tomei components then use good studs, good gaskets and cover the 3 or 4 days labour it takes to properly blueprint and assemble a complete long motor your up to nzd30-32k for a long motor easy as. Then you start adding ex manifold, turbo, dump pipe, oil and water lines, air intake, wastegate, screamer, gaskets etc, intake plenim, throttle body, injectors, fuel rail, fpr, rocker covers and other covers with custom paint etc and you can soon see how it all adds up. Fark that sounds horny Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/234669-stroker-kit-of-choice/page/4/#findComment-4122103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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