Greddy Type S Or Tein Super Streets

[profaine]

Hi all, looking for opinions (preferably from people that own/use either of these models) on either Tein Super Streets with the EDFC or Greddy Type S with the Greddy Controller.

Basically I have the option of getting either with the Greddy's being ~$500 cheaper. I have an S2 R33 and it is my daily. I only use it on the street, maybe track work eventually but that is not my focus at the moment.

I have done a search and all the info I have been able to find about the Greddy's is good but there is not as much info/opinion as the Teins so if anyone has any more current feedback on either but specifically the Greddy's I would appreciate it. They both appear to meet my needs and I am leaning towards the Greddy's because they are cheaper but I imagine there would be better back up/servicing on the Teins? Other then that I am not sure? Here is the link for the Greddys.

http://www.greddy.com/products/display/?Ca...p;SubCategory=8

Cheers

[bzkr33]

Hi all, looking for opinions (preferably from people that own/use either of these models) on either Tein Super Streets with the EDFC or Greddy Type S with the Greddy Controller.

Basically I have the option of getting either with the Greddy's being ~$500 cheaper. I have an S2 R33 and it is my daily. I only use it on the street, maybe track work eventually but that is not my focus at the moment.

I have done a search and all the info I have been able to find about the Greddy's is good but there is not as much info/opinion as the Teins so if anyone has any more current feedback on either but specifically the Greddy's I would appreciate it. They both appear to meet my needs and I am leaning towards the Greddy's because they are cheaper but I imagine there would be better back up/servicing on the Teins? Other then that I am not sure? Here is the link for the Greddys.

http://www.greddy.com/products/display/?Ca...p;SubCategory=8

Cheers

hey mate,

Cant say much for the greddys as ive never used them, but i did have a set of super street in my old s13 and they were a decent coilover.

Something to take into account is whether you would get the aussie super street or the jdm. The differences being the jdm version have stiffer spring rates and you can go lower with the height adjustment. whether that stays true with the R33 version im not sure.

one problem I did have with the super streets was the damper adjuster would almost seize, and it would be a pain to adjust, im not sure how this would go with the edfc.

it looks to be that the springs for the super street are F 4/R 4 so they would be a good comfy ride on the street.

hope that helps you out.

by the way are you running stock suspension at the moment?

[profaine]

hey mate,

Cant say much for the greddys as ive never used them, but i did have a set of super street in my old s13 and they were a decent coilover.

Something to take into account is whether you would get the aussie super street or the jdm. The differences being the jdm version have stiffer spring rates and you can go lower with the height adjustment. whether that stays true with the R33 version im not sure.

one problem I did have with the super streets was the damper adjuster would almost seize, and it would be a pain to adjust, im not sure how this would go with the edfc.

it looks to be that the springs for the super street are F 4/R 4 so they would be a good comfy ride on the street.

hope that helps you out.

by the way are you running stock suspension at the moment?

Hi, appreciate your comments, I would be looking at the JDM version of the Teins, I do get mixed answers about how much firmer the springs are, I thought the JDM was 4kg front and rear with diffferent valving to the Aus model which also uses 4 and 4 but I am unsure? I have been on the Fulcrum website to get more info about the Aus model and i cant find the info on it i require! The Greddys appear to be 6kg and 8kg F and R.

The main problem/issue I have come across for both units is seizing/motor issues for the dampening control but those who get it working rave about it!

Yeh I do have stock suspension at the moment (apparently with HKS springs but I havent been able to verify that yet, I dont think theya re as I can see any markings on them!). Thanks again. Anyone else add to these comments?

[PsYLoR]

Ive got the tein SS aus version set 2 clicks off hard with alloy subframe locks and its not a really hard ride, does get a bit bumpy on some of the mountain roads (soft settings is fine) but hard is fine around the city & the highway. Great feel on nice smooth stuff.

Dont have the EDFC, i was going to get it but ive got no back seat in and it takes no time to change the setting manually so im not going to bother.

[Munkyb0y]

ive just put on a set of tein super streets, but i think theyre the aus spec. i have the rears set to almost full soft, and the front set around half way.

they are very comfy for coilovers, and handle easily as good as my not so comfy previous suspension.

ive also heard excellent things about the greddy, but its not a hard choice. personally, for a $500 saving, i'd be going with the greddy. as far as i can tell, the greddy usually retail for around the same price, if not slightly more than the teins.

Edited July 13, 2009 by Munkyb0y

[mystery_kid]

you're not really comparing the same level of coilover tbh

the super streets don't have the base height adjustment like the type s, the super streets are something like 6/4 spring rates

the type 2 have the base height adjust so you don't have to touch the springs at all and run spring rates of 8/6

i personally run the type S in my r32 and i love them, they are much firmer than the super streets and the ride can be bumpy on shit roads but i am willing to put up with that for the handling gains.

mate of mine has aussie super streets in his r32 and they are a much nicer ride in terms of comfort but for pure handling the type s is the level above.

[profaine]

you're not really comparing the same level of coilover tbh

the super streets don't have the base height adjustment like the type s, the super streets are something like 6/4 spring rates

the type 2 have the base height adjust so you don't have to touch the springs at all and run spring rates of 8/6

i personally run the type S in my r32 and i love them, they are much firmer than the super streets and the ride can be bumpy on shit roads but i am willing to put up with that for the handling gains.

mate of mine has aussie super streets in his r32 and they are a much nicer ride in terms of comfort but for pure handling the type s is the level above.

Ok, fair enough I see them similar in that they are both a street biased suspension system, the Greddys are more expensive and I guess this is reflected with the base adjust, etc on the Greddys.

More positive feedback as well for the Teins which is per usual.

Appreciate everyone comments I will be making my decision soon and let everyone know how I go.

[hotchoc]

from what i gather greddy are approx 2k delivered from japan

not too sure bout the tein ss though ?how much did u get quoted for the teins profaine?

[PSI Parts]

We originally had the Tein HR (totally different specs I know) on our Project Car and they were way too harsh for everyday driving. They were quickly swapped for the GReddy Type S, which have been great for everyday driving, (Spring Rate Front 8kg/mm, Rear 6kg/mm), however I am yet to take the car to track to test it's race performance. My only gripe is that the rears don't allow much in the way of height adjustment. I have mine as high as I can on the rear and is not overly high, it hasn't caused any dramas however having a bit more adjustability for interstate travel (I was refused trailer carriage as the car did not meet the required 125mm clearance).

[profaine]

We originally had the Tein HR (totally different specs I know) on our Project Car and they were way too harsh for everyday driving. They were quickly swapped for the GReddy Type S, which have been great for everyday driving, (Spring Rate Front 8kg/mm, Rear 6kg/mm), however I am yet to take the car to track to test it's race performance. My only gripe is that the rears don't allow much in the way of height adjustment. I have mine as high as I can on the rear and is not overly high, it hasn't caused any dramas however having a bit more adjustability for interstate travel (I was refused trailer carriage as the car did not meet the required 125mm clearance).

Ok, I haven't come across that comment/issue yet in regards to the height, interesting. At the moment I don't plan to track the car, maybe in the future but not at the moment and even if I did the majority of driving would still be done on the road so that would be more important to me then flat out circuit performance. I appreciate the input.

[Sydneykid]

it looks to be that the springs for the super street are F 4/R 4 so they would be a good comfy ride on the street.

Keeping in mind that the movement and leverage ratios are the same front and rear, for a car with 65/35 front rear weight distribution does it really make sense to have 50/50 spring rates? Think about what that means. Simplistically, for the same sized bump the front spring is going to compress ~50% more than the rear spring, how do you think that is going to affect the ride and handling?

Cheers

Gary

[ichi-go]

You guys need to understand bumpiness doesnt come from spring rate alone, if you have a coilover that compress the spring to lower the car(which is what the tein SS does), then it will affect the spring rate which would result in a harsher ride. If you leave it in stock height, the tein ss will be ok but i doubt that is what you guys are after when you install coilovers, you might as well just leave the stock suspension in it if you are after comfort

As long as there are enough stroke in the suspension by lowering the car using base adjustment, there will be acceptable level of harshness compared to lowereing it by compressing the spring

[bzkr33]

Keeping in mind that the movement and leverage ratios are the same front and rear, for a car with 65/35 front rear weight distribution does it really make sense to have 50/50 spring rates? Think about what that means. Simplistically, for the same sized bump the front spring is going to compress ~50% more than the rear spring, how do you think that is going to affect the ride and handling?

Cheers

Gary

But with the damper adjusters you can control the rebound and compression and cancel out some of that compression on the front springs right? but i guess at the same time this would make it a harsher ride up front?

[Munkyb0y]

Yes exactly. but it doesnt result in a harsher ride. thats up to you, and how you want to set it up.

the damper adjustment makes quite a difference in the tein ss.

i have the rears set to almost full soft. they match the fronts now quite well, which are set to above half. when i had the fronts and rears set the same (hard-ish), you could definitely feel the imbalance.

the ride is not harsh at all. its very comfortable. but at full hard front and rear, its quite a bit harsher.

Edited July 15, 2009 by Munkyb0y

[Sydneykid]

You guys need to understand bumpiness doesnt come from spring rate alone, if you have a coilover that compress the spring to lower the car(which is what the tein SS does), then it will affect the spring rate which would result in a harsher ride. If you leave it in stock height

Rubbish, the spring rate is the spring rate, the only way to change the spring rate is to change the spring. Adding or subtracting preload makes absolutely no difference to the spring rate.

the tein ss will be ok but i doubt that is what you guys are after when you install coilovers, you might as well just leave the stock suspension in it if you are after comfort

High spring rates don't give better handling, or traction for accelerating or braking. The tyre needs to be in contact with the road surface and that won't happen with high spring rates. Skylines don't have limo spring rates standard, they are "sports cars" and their standard spring rates are specified accordingly.

As long as there are enough stroke in the suspension by lowering the car using base adjustment, there will be acceptable level of harshness compared to lowereing it by compressing the spring

So a 12 kg/mm spring (ie; it takes 12 kgs to compress it 1 mm) is going to feel the same as a 3 kg/mm spring (it takes 3 kgs to compress it 1 mm)? I don't think so, not in the real world anyway.

Cheers

Gary

[Sydneykid]

But with the damper adjusters you can control the rebound and compression and cancel out some of that compression on the front springs right? but i guess at the same time this would make it a harsher ride up front?

Changing the damper settings doesn't change the spring rate, there is nothing you can do with the damper adjustment, bump or rebound, that will lower the spring rate. Springs have an instantaneous rate, they are what they are, always. Whereas dampers can be considered to be adding a timing change, for example more bump (compression) damping slows down how quickly the spring compresses after the wheel hits a bump. Conversely with rebound damping, more rebound (extension) damping slows down how quickly the spring returns to its normal height Changes in bump and rebound damping does affect the ride and handling, but they can never "reduce" too high a spring rate. However if you have a low spring rate then damping adjustments can add timing into their compression and expansion. For example if you add bump damping the front will compress slower under brakes with the same spring rate.

Cheers

Gary

[SDEWY5]

this is interesting, i have Tein SS with EDFC and mucking round with the damening settings i cant notice anything really changing, if you guys think its fairly noticeable i might have to see if theyre working properly...

[ssxRicho]

was contemplating the same thing back in march.

went the extra $$ for the greddy type s and mono body. have done a heap of track days etc so far. i cant speak high enough of

them. would recommend them.

[profaine]

Hi everyone, just to give everyone an update, I purchased the Greddy Type S suspension and have had them fitted for a little while now. I have had a lot of thoughts about them;

- Compared to some other suspension I have seen the the construction quality/parts etc is really good.

- They were relatively easy to fit, the instructions were in Japanese but this was only a slight issue when hooking up the electric motors.

- The ride; now previously my car had stock suspension with HKS springs, I would still think this is optimum for a daily driver in terms of comfort (the springs must have been softer then the coil overs) but obviously handling is a lot better with the coil overs (along with associated benefits such as lower rider height, etc.)

- I could live with coil overs for a daily easily if the majority of my driving was on smooth/new roads however if you drive on old/bumpy roads it definitely can get tiring quickly being bumped and jarred.

- The electric motors/dampening adjust are a definite plus and do make a noticeable difference, its not a huge gain that's blindingly obvious but it is there.

- I havent tracked this suspension as this is not my aim for the car but even normal street driving around corners and roundabouts the cornering and feel has improved.

I would recommend these units to anyone looking for coilovers.

[bradsm87]

Tein super street is cheap shit that Tein make a shit load of money off because ppl buy it because it's Tein. The shocks are shit and the height is only adjustable on the spring perch so if U don't have it within 15mm each way of the centre of the suspension travel, u'll either be hitting bump stops or lifting wheels.

Greddy Type S would be better but far too stiff.

Tein Mono Flex are a far better option. They're about $150 more a set than Greddy Type S. The shocks are better in them but again, although better than the Greddy's, the springs still seem too stiff for street use.

EDFC is for VERY lazy people and you're much better spending the extra money on a better product than bling like that.

Tein Mono Flex for R33 - $1908 with today's exchange rate plus shipping on perfectrun.jp . If it was me, I'd ditch the 8k front and 6k rear springs and fit some 5k front and 4k rear and a pair of whiteline swaybars. It'll handle better and be much more comfortable than 8/6 with stock swaybars.

Edit: ah shit I just realised U already have em.

http://www.perfectrun.jp/src/detail.php?pid=34005

Edited August 7, 2009 by bradsm87