M35 Stagea Vs Ve Sportwagon

[Jetwreck]

Hi Andrew

I tend to think that yesterday would be a bad example of what your car could do. The temperate was way too high to have the turbo operating efficiently.

I do recall Jetwreck did some tests when his car was still on the standard turbo and he was gettign around 6.5sec. This was timed by passenger.

Cheers

Andy

Yeh I did some timings.....2AM i the morning in the middle of winter....would have to go and find the thread again....it's somewhere on SAU.

That was taking my car to 110km's on the dial(GPS =100km's)

Mod's at the time were a cat back exhaust and a decent air filter.

Have to admit last night would not have been the best test time with the standard IC.....but if you had one of these

[pixel8r]

I've heard a lot of people say A/C uses about 10% of your power, but it gets worse for a turbo car with a relatively small engine.

More drag on the engine means it will take longer to spool the turbo (ie it will rev slower up to 2000rpm or whenever the turbo starts hitting building boost) - this would have a huge effect.

Not only that, turbo cars tend to perform really badly in hot weather and really well in cold weather, compared to n/a cars.

[Angus Smart]

Yew i'll give it all another shot again soon.

i knew lastnite and the conditions would not be ideal.. will get the tyre sizes right and go again

[Angus Smart]

Did a small test this morning while getting onto the freeway and got the time down to about 7-8's

will do it again tonite, the wet shouldnt matter that much.. i cant seem to slide/spin/or loose traction no matter how much i try with these pirelli dragons

[pixel8r]

Did a small test this morning while getting onto the freeway and got the time down to about 7-8's

will do it again tonite, the wet shouldnt matter that much.. i cant seem to slide/spin/or loose traction no matter how much i try with these pirelli dragons

I managed just below 8 seconds 0-100 in my s2 when driving it home from the gold coast (back to adelaide). The car had minimal luggage in it, and 2 adults. Temperature would've been mid 20's. Plenty of room for improvement too - only revved to 2500rpm before lifting the brake and taking off...(I'd only just bought the car so didn't want to go too overboard).

The M35 is quite a bit faster than the s2 (at least it feels that way) so it has everything going for it. Just a matter of getting it all right in one go.

Btw rather than use the GPS for timing, it would be easier to use the GPS to work out where the speedo needle sits when the GPS says 100km/h. Then use the speedo to time it from 0 until it reaches that same point. Timing with a stopwatch will always be a tiny bit out due to reflexes etc. but there's not much else you can do.

Edited December 17, 2009 by pixel8r

[zei20l]

isnt there an iphone app that does this??

it uses a combination of the g-force sensor inside and GPS to work out pretty accurately

[pixel8r]

Sorry to keep hammering this thread but I just wanted to mention that I raised our concerns about the validity of the tests by "Test Driven Australia" and they have given their response - in the comments below the article. In summary, the M35 pictured is not the one tested, and the one that was tested has been confirmed as being completely stock - including stock boost and exhaust. Whilst I still feel the numbers are too low, TDA stand by their results.

zei20l - I dont have an iphone but I do have an android phone (HTC magic) - which is very similar. I've just looked and found an app which should do what you say. Its called aDyno. There's another one called Speedometer but the free version doesn't do 0-100 times etc and I'm not into paying for apps that I'll rarely use. Will let u know how this works when I get a chance.

Edited December 17, 2009 by pixel8r

[kidafa]

0-100 times can be obtained by consult software :-) Might run the S1 and get a time tonight

[Jetwreck]

OK I have an old 2007 Wheels in my hands...only the SS Sedan but close enough.

SS - MT - 0-100=5.6, 1/4 =13.9

SS - AT - 0-100=5.8, 1/4 = 13.9

Now the wagon is 60kg's heavier so lets take a shot in the dark and add .5 of a second on. The M35 is still not quicker.

I'd say that the article and the writer is FOS!

Edited December 18, 2009 by Jetwreck

[iamhe77]

OK I have an old 2007 Wheels in my hands...only the SS Sedan but close enough.

SS - MT - 0-100=5.6, 1/4 =13.9

SS - AT - 0-100=5.8, 1/4 = 13.9

Now the wagon is 60kg's heavier so lets take a shot in the dark and add .5 of a second on. The M35 is still not quicker.

I'd say that the article and the writer is FOS!

Agree.

Ulterior motive to sell M35's if you ask me... or paid off by a dealership that sells them perhaps....

[Angus Smart]

isnt there an iphone app that does this??

it uses a combination of the g-force sensor inside and GPS to work out pretty accurately

What i am using now is the same.

it does actually start timing as i let go of the brake so its accurate there..

i'll get to it tonite again if i get bored.

[zei20l]

i think they compared it with one of those g-attack or whatever they are called GPS/g-force timing units and it was pretty much on the dollar.

[STAG250]

And they got a non thirsty stagea???

I think they confused the 7.8 km/l thing with l/km

[ステージア]

I'm having trouble deciding which is the uglier...

[andy65b]

I'm having trouble deciding which is the uglier...

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder as I am sure as a C34 driver you would have been told this before..LOL

[mxfly]

Haha great comeback line Andy.

[Jetwreck]

Im quite happy to go get a time slip. Gives me one more reason to race my wife. When I get a time slip I will pm it to both of you. Just for informations sake I didn't come in here to cause problems I simply voiced my opinion as you have.

Edit: would a ss ute be a suitable comparison? , I've got a friend with one or a guy at work has a hsv clubsport would you prefer a comparison with that?

how did you go with this....got time slips yet?

Edited May 12, 2010 by Jetwreck

[iamhe77]

how did you go with this....got time slips yet?

[Big Fella]

Let me clear it up

Stagea: 240kw's ATC = approx 160kw's ATW

SS Wagon:270kw's ATC = approx 180 to 190kw's ATW(corrected from the 260 I first said)

F6: 310kw's ATC = 200kw's+ ATW(my guess would be 230-240kw's)

i find this thread really interesting. i sold my VE SS sportwagon (manual) to buy my C34.

The SS had 213rwkw in stock form

I Deleted the rear mufflers and added straight pipe.

Same day, same dyno, same operator - 225rwkw.

there is no way my c34 in its current form(hiflow cat, nismo exhaust, pod) would even come close to beating it in a straight line. i, ve never driven a 35, but i couldn't imagine them being 3-4 seconds faster 0-100.

but the C34 is a much nicer car to drive than the SS was and it handles better at speed.

[Angus Smart]

but the C34 is a much nicer car to drive than the SS was and it handles better at speed.

And at the end of the day thats what it comes down to

boat vs sport boat..