M35 Stagea Dimensions For Lpg

[samuri]

In a m35 2002 axis autech ,Could someone tell me the dimensions between the spare wheel compartment and the side such that i could install a round (toroidal) LPG tank i am looking at tank with diameter of 68cm and width 27cm in an upright position.

it will go on the left rear side.

Also what is the floor to roof distance at the rear .

There are no stageas within 100km of me.

thanks

[iamhe77]

Do you have your Stagea or are you looking at buying one?

If you have one, why not measure it yourself?

[samuri]

Do you have your Stagea or are you looking at buying one?

If you have one, why not measure it yourself? which takes a week or more

I have a stagea but waiting for it to arrive around the middle of decemebr. At the moment

Its in a holding pattern so nobody can get to it.

I need to order a tank as doing so wont be posible around xmas It would arrive late January . I want to go holidays just before xmas with a lpg system up and running

[iamhe77]

I see... no worries, will have a look tonight... unless someone on here can do it while they have the day off

[iamhe77]

Pm Sent

[Sage222]

ive been considering putting my new m35 on liquid gas.. more power and cheaper fuel could be a good win. Can you post any info you have and any thoughts once its complete? cheers.

[zei20l]

i dont think youll get more power, you generally lose around 5% but with the higher knock rating, you can increase the timing and/or put more boost into the motor

[ironpaw]

How does LPG work with turbo'ed cars? just a 5% performance loss?

[iamhe77]

You shouldn't lose power on a liquid setup as it has a higher octane rating that 98.

You may lose a little economy wise, possibly around 5%... but certainly nothing to worry about.

For M35, you may be able to fit a torroidal tank where the space saver is (you will have to remove the storage deck and anything else you have under-floor though) and a custom system will set you back around the $5-5.5k mark (depending on power desired means more than one pump for the LPG)

Where are you located Sage?

Edited November 14, 2010 by iamhe77

[ironpaw]

Hmmm surely there's more negatives then just a 5% economy loss...otherwise wouldn't everyone jump on it?

Also isn't there some law re LPG in VIC that takes into effect soon? Similar to the Petrol Excise I believe...so LPG prices will increase.

Edited November 14, 2010 by ironpaw

[ironpaw]

Just did some reading on this. Seems like Gas Research are the guys to approach re LPG system for Turbo vehicles?

[iamhe77]

Hmmm surely there's more negatives then just a 5% economy loss...otherwise wouldn't everyone jump on it?

Also isn't there some law re LPG in VIC that takes into effect soon? Similar to the Petrol Excise I believe...so LPG prices will increase.

Other negative is initial outlay. $5k+ is a fair amount.

That excise on LPG has been rumoured for about 5 years now, but I think it was going to come into effect when LPG conversions hit a certain populace percentage.

*Bloody greedy government bastards..... yet again

Just did some reading on this. Seems like Gas Research are the guys to approach re LPG system for Turbo vehicles?

For a vapour system, yes.

For a liquid injection system talking to Australian LPG Warehouse is a great place to start

Edited November 15, 2010 by iamhe77

[scotty nm35]

Just did some reading on this. Seems like Gas Research are the guys to approach re LPG system for Turbo vehicles?

Not from what I have heard.

Get with the times, E85 is where its at for turbo cars.

[samuri]

ive been considering putting my new m35 on liquid gas.. more power and cheaper fuel could be a good win. Can you post any info you have and any thoughts once its complete? cheers.

Power wont be more. Cheaper by a 1/3 to a half depnding on your location in Australia.

I will convert to LPG in about a month and happy to pass on any information.

My research indicates that sequential vapour Injection using emer injectors is the best solution IMO.Tuning is not a drama in this system

Liquid injection has not been tried in the M35 so all development costs to get the tune right would be borne by your installer and payed by you. could easily be 40 hours I am told

[ironpaw]

Not from what I have heard.

Get with the times, E85 is where its at for turbo cars.

That's what I'm thinking. Sure, its 40c more then LPG...but I don't need to outlay 5k to use it.

Bigger injectors and a tune right? heheh

I live down the rd from the Servo on Nepean Hwy that says E85...tempted....

Edited November 15, 2010 by ironpaw

[iamhe77]

Liquid injection has not been tried in the M35 so all development costs to get the tune right would be borne by your installer and payed by you. could easily be 40 hours I am told

I actually organised that "my" tuner tune "my" piggyback (which I don't yet have) to make proper use of a LiLPG setup... no problem, but I didn't receive any discount on the price!

I was told this is because there is no need to tune a liquid injections system as it actually piggybacks off the OEM injectors...

That's what I'm thinking. Sure, its 40c more then LPG...but I don't need to outlay 5k to use it.

Bigger injectors and a tune right? heheh

I live down the rd from the Servo on Nepean Hwy that says E85...tempted....

All depends on how many km's you do I guess.

Being that your economy will be shot to hell on E85, it may not actually be more economical over 5 years.

An example (for me - around 720kms/week, mostly highway)

9.3km/L for 98PULP @ $1.45 x (77.4 avg L per week x 52 weeks) = $5837.42 p.a. fuel cost

8.8km/L for Liquid LPG @ $0.55 x (81.8 avg L per week x 52 weeks) = $2339.99 p.a. LPG cost

6.5km/L for E85 @ $0.99 x (110.8 avg L per week x 52 weeks) = $5702.40 p.a E85 cost

That is allowing for 5% for LiLPG economy decrease without a tune and 30% for E85 economy decrease with a tune.

All theory of course.

But going by that, obviously LPG would be the way to go for me and I would make my money back in 2.5 years (I wish I had know that and LiLPG was available 3.5 years ago ).

Whereas E85 ends up costing about the same as PULP.

Edited November 15, 2010 by iamhe77

[Sage222]

most places are quoting a rough 10% gains with Liquid Injection LPG on turbo engines (all other LPG setups indeed have loses.) Though yes you are also looking at 5-10% increase in consumption.

My mate did his V70 T5 Volvo and made an extra 21kw at the wheels. (Inline 5 cylinder 2.3L Turbo).

Whats the octane rating on E85? Any mods needed to run it?

Though as per the calculations above. If you do the k's LPG is a great way to go. And i am thinking about taking my new stag for a run around the east side of Australia.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Sage222

[iamhe77]

E85 is tabbed as 105+ here in Vic I believe.

At a minimum, you will need larger injectors and pump... but a tune is definitely recommended if you plan to run E85

[Sage222]

E85 is tabbed as 105+ here in Vic I believe.

At a minimum, you will need larger injectors and pump... but a tune is definitely recommended if you plan to run E85

thanks for the info mate.

Just spoke to the guys at seaview gas conversions in melbourne. No problem with tuning for Liquid injection as they match the factory injector.

A bit less than 5k for the system.. you get the government rebate of $1500.. and then you gotta do about 30,000ks to recoup the costs..

tho on the plus side you make more grunt while you recoup the costs

[scotty nm35]

I thought LPG only made more power if the timing was advanced.