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samuri
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Power wont be more. Cheaper by a 1/3 to a half depnding on your location in Australia. I will convert to LPG in about a month and happy to pass on any information. My research indicates that sequent

Sage222
Sage222

Just made an appointment with Seaview Gas Conversions in melbourne. 5k for the system (minus $1500 in rebates) reckons a day to install. Will go have a chat and check out demensions of the spare wheel

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Sunkist Grand Master

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hmm I must ask Tamma about this.

Also he reckons that the standard pump is good for 300rwkw? He reckons I just need bigger injectors...

your stock pump is almost a 10 years old - designed to run pump.

you sure you wanna take the chance?

Sunkist Grand Master

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Huh? I'm talking bout the lpg pump...

oh my bad. i was wondering after i wrote that? 'what would you use for start up?' my bad.

agree with Scott - on lpg i think you'll be pushing close to the limit of the pump.

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ironpaw

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Hmm I'm gonna change my mind and get the LPG done AFTER the tune. Spoke to the JTG distributor who advised this is the easiest way.

I think I'm going to run E85 + Gas...this would minimise the timing issues when switching fuel right? (get it tuned for say, 105 RON)....

Sunkist Grand Master

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LPG RON can fluctuate considerably from what I have been told.

105 may be a little ambitious unless you are filling up on Supagas's "Premium" LPG all the time (Guaranteed 110RON)

+1 either way, there'll be the issue of this. Sage222 had an idea on the previous page to simply just fuel cut and shut off near empty - instead of switch fuels.

This would mean you would be able to flick the switch on the emanage.

without continuously driving thinking its still on gas.

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Hmm I'm gonna change my mind and get the LPG done AFTER the tune. Spoke to the JTG distributor who advised this is the easiest way.

I think I'm going to run E85 + Gas...this would minimise the timing issues when switching fuel right? (get it tuned for say, 105 RON)....

Sounds like the way I would be doing it too, however you may need to go back to your tuner to optimize the tune between both fuels once your conversion has been done, unless the installers you are using are proficient in tuning as well, most are not and don't have dyno facilities etc.

RS4StagMan Rising Star

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LPG RON can fluctuate considerably from what I have been told.

105 may be a little ambitious unless you are filling up on Supagas's "Premium" LPG all the time (Guaranteed 110RON)

Absolutely right!

From personal experience the RON and quality varies considerably....

I would say anywhere between 100 and 110 depending on the supplier/source and the final mix of propane/butane and who knows what other additives/impurities there are!

Yes I have used the claimed Supagas stuff extensively and even that varies by a lot....

LPG fitters and tuners that have been around for a long time will tell you that years ago LPG was much higher octane rating 110+ RON was not uncommon, and you did not have to go to Supagas to get it, BP, shell, mobil, caltex all had it.

The problem with LPG is that the quality varies so much and some manufacturers won't even specify it as a minimum RON,

as Supagas will not publish thier RON ratings either, but a properly tuned performance motor (especially forced induction) does run better with it.

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ironpaw

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Hmm Tamme from Seaview Gas called and said the car's almost converted...said somthing about my bigger intercooler being in the way???? :blink:

He said that he had my injectors flow tested and claims they're larger then what Sage222 had in his car??!?!?!? I asked him for a figure and he said he can't remember :rofl2:

He's put larger gas jets in also...to give a bit of leeway with the upcoming tune.

Could it be that because of the mod's on my the ECU is dumping more fuel and hence it appears that it's flowing more?

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Lol at them gestimating fuel mixtures, I thought you were getting the gas done after the tune...

The stock computer could be doing anything, until you get on a dyno you wont know. (although Cam has similar mods and has been running with no issues.)

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ironpaw

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Lol at them gestimating fuel mixtures, I thought you were getting the gas done after the tune...

The stock computer could be doing anything, until you get on a dyno you wont know. (although Cam has similar mods and has been running with no issues.)

Yeah was going to but Cihan thinks its prolly less hassle doing the gas first...no need to return for retune...

We'll see what happens...apparently there is a overide switch which can keep the car running on petrol...should come in handy for the tune

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great time to do it mate.. saw 1.55 for regular today.. ouch.

id say that your injectors would be flowing more if your running aftermarket management.. look forward to the results!

my mate filled up at supagas 100% propane for $.57c per litre today. laughing!

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ironpaw

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great time to do it mate.. saw 1.55 for regular today.. ouch.

id say that your injectors would be flowing more if your running aftermarket management.. look forward to the results!

my mate filled up at supagas 100% propane for $.57c per litre today. laughing!

Nah I don't have aftermarket engine management fitted...yet

which is strange...we'll find out this arvo I guess!

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ironpaw

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hmm no, I haven't modded my ECU.

I said that I think the ECU might be dumping more fuel due to the mods (suction pipe, intercooler, exhaust) done to the car...

its the stock ECU...nothing added/changed...

Oops reread my post...yeah I said the wrong thing :blush:

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Gah...apparently the car wasn't ready this Arvo. I only found out when I was halfway there on the train and rang them up. Apparently they can't get the fuel mixture right so its going on the dyno tomorrow...they better not charge me extra!! They want my new Denso plugs too...that means I need another set for the tune in 2 weeks time?

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