2011 F1 Thread

[Angus Smart]

the correct call was made. their front wheels were nearly level and there's no way Massa could not have known Lewis was there.

i'm pretty sure massa tries to hit him, this time he didnt get away with it.

[sh@un]

and then the half-wit goes and does everyone a favour by breaking his suspension exactly the same way for the second time in one race meet. hilarious

[Marlin]

I want to see the GPS lap traces of the Massa/Homo thing. Both at the incident and the laps prior.

[sh@un]

to what end?

[hrd-hr30]

it was just clumsy on Hamilton's part (again!) - yes, at one point he was in almost to the front wheel, but then half backed out and the collision was Hamilton's front wheel on Massa's rear. Its not really an overtaking area - if you're going to do it there you really need to make it a dominant move, clearly in front. He didn't. His move relied on the other driver getting the f*&% out of his way. He had to know Massa was not going to do that!

On the other hand, I feel it was pretty deliberate from Massa - he definitely saw him going up the inside but gave him the big "f*&% you"

You know its a strange call when the pommy BBC commentators are amazed that Hamilton didn't get penalised.

Edited October 30, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[Marlin]

I completely agree Harry.

I still see it as Hamo's fault. But would like to see some GPS data to confirm it.

To my mind, Hamo needed to be much more forthright to take that position cleanly at that part of the track, and he simply wasn't.

Massa's not liable to gift him the spot is he? It's a dubious passing spot, and if Massa WAS to yield, then I reckon he would simply have to go wide into the dust, and hence, understeer off the track!

To make any pass clean and successful, the passing driver needs to have the capacity to drive his own car, but also "get his brain" into the car he wishes to pass, and decide then if the pass can be made successfully! I think even Lewis would admit (if he were honest) that he didn't do that.

[N1GTR]

Vodafone's gotta give up on this vodafone voices shit...

[N1GTR]

Loving this from mr bean. Needs comments though

[Angus Smart]

Haha how awesome was bean!!

[Marlin]

Is that "The Predator" behind Rowan?

[Roy]

the correct call was made. their front wheels were nearly level and there's no way Massa could not have known Lewis was there.

You cant really believe that!

Hamo, "I am Lewis "Victim" Hamilton...i only need to be near the back of the car in front and I should be gifted a position"

I am not sure if Massa was a little later on the brakes or if Hamo knew he wasnt far enough up the side, he was on the dirty side, he had the wrong line...err basically he had ham fisted it and was trying to get out of there. Massa has to be the most hit guy in F1 this year. Between Hamoo and Webber in Monza...he is a magnet...it seems everyone thinks he is a soft touch, including Alonso

[dezz]

IF Massa did back out of the corner, or run right off the track (his only 2 options to avoid contact) I doubt Hamilton would've been able to make the corner himself. With that line he would've run wide..

I was speaking to a few Hamilton fans today and even they agreed it was bullshit.

The stewards penalized the wrong party.

[sh@un]

Lewis is right on the edge of the track and Fillipe had the whole right side of the circuit and chops him anyway. Massa could have just missed the apex like he's supposed to when someone's attempting to overtake up the inside (and is well and truly alongside). Hamo obviously trusted him to leave some racing room, and what was he supposed to do about it when Massa just jags the wheel left at the eleventh hour??

The replay doesn't show an overly ambitious overtake attempt, I feel. The stewards no doubt saw the collision as avoidable if Massa had chosen to avoid it.

[wolverine]

The only certainty is that LH isn't get any more cooter from that pussycat doll and Massa is a car magnet.

[sh@un]

Should ask Jenson to introduce him to Jess's sister.

[wolverine]

I'd say LH would cut a swathe thru the 'walk of' girls if he put his mind to it.

Sure the girls would have to like novelty sex with a midget but I hear some chicks go for that sort of thing.

[hrd-hr30]

Lewis is right on the edge of the track and Fillipe had the whole right side of the circuit and chops him anyway. Massa could have just missed the apex like he's supposed to when someone's attempting to overtake up the inside (and is well and truly alongside).

yeah, see there's this thing called the racing line, that you need to take to make the corner at race speed. You can't just go wider and leave room without also going slower which he wasn't. Massa's only way through that corner at that speed was the line he took. This also suggests that Dezz's observation that Hamilton probably wouldn't have made the corner either is correct. And that's before you even take into consideration the dirty surface off-line. That's why the experienced drivers we have as commentators mentioned its one at a time through that section just one lap before.

Have since heard Hamilton admit in an interview he tried to pull out of the move. Half arsed passing attempt + half arsed pull out = complete Hamfisted effort. The guy's a hack.

[dezz]

Yep, I don't claim to be an experienced racer/race steward, but that was one of the easier calls imo. Not sure how they got it wrong to be honest...

As mentioned already, even Brundle and DC were saying Hamilton was to blame, and we all know how much they love to smoke his pole...

[Marlin]

Lewis is right on the edge of the track and Fillipe had the whole right side of the circuit and chops him anyway. Massa could have just missed the apex like he's supposed to when someone's attempting to overtake up the inside (and is well and truly alongside). Hamo obviously trusted him to leave some racing room, and what was he supposed to do about it when Massa just jags the wheel left at the eleventh hour??

The replay doesn't show an overly ambitious overtake attempt, I feel. The stewards no doubt saw the collision as avoidable if Massa had chosen to avoid it.

With all due respect, and you've been around a long time, but I reckon we'd go a long way to find a bigger Lewi fan boy!

Martin and David were both astonished with the stewards decision in my opinion, but they need to bite their collective tongues.

[sh@un]

He has had far too many run-ins with Massa this year. Lewis seems increasingly frustrated with being held up by Fellipe, and Massa increasingly annoyed at Hamilton's attempts to pass.

I think the best thing to say about the incident was LH's decision to come down the inside was a tad optimistic, and FM's defense was overly aggressive.