2011 F1 Thread

[260DET]

Jenson's arrival coincided nicely with Lulu's emo breakdown.

Fixed to save further fanboism

[sh@un]

lol

it was way before the emo

[wolverine]

JB hardly showed the mobile Brazilian speed bump the way during his stint with Brawn F1. It is not like he is intimidating the emo. It is more a case of LH sucking/not coping with the Pirellis.

I think LH is like Tiger, he needs the puss to drive well.

[hrd-hr30]

JB hardly showed the mobile Brazilian speed bump the way during his stint with Brawn F1.

Really? He won 6 races to Ruben's 2, and over the 17 races the head to head finishes were 12 to 4 in JB's favour. Sounds pretty convincing to me. Ansd that was back when Rubens still had some pace.

[wolverine]

He was quick in a quick car...wow.

I am saying Rubens didn't have much pace at all even then.

[Roy]

Jenson's arrival coincided nicely with Louie's form slump

You mean he had to do an amazing job to put Heikki into the shade? Hell, I would smash Heikki

Lewis had a great first year when his head was screwed on right. He didn't bin cars, make mistakes. His focus was F1 and trying to beat the current F1 yardstick that is Alonso

These days his head isnt there which allows guys like Button to match him. He thinks he has proven himself and excuses explain why he isnt a multiple WDC by now. Button is by no means a hack. But he has managed the tyres this year better then Hackilton this year. Same problem that has affected Webber and Massa has affected Homo's ability to win races.

Button had bugger all experience when he found his way into F1. He needed a few years more racing and winning championships and testing like most others had to do. The fact that he was dropped into the acid of F1 so young and inexperienced its no wonder it took him a few years to stop partying and chasing flange and trying to build on his natural ability. According to Button his head wasnt in the game until he drove for Honda and god some guidance from Richards.

[Berk]

So MW has the fastest lap award in the bag now?

[hrd-hr30]

He was quick in a quick car...wow.

I am saying Rubens didn't have much pace at all even then.

no, you were saying "JB hardly showed the mobile Brazilian speed bump the way during his stint with Brawn F1".

6 to 2

12 to 4

= shown the way

and they were both in the fast car. not sure why you made that comment?

Edited November 17, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[djr81]

So MW has the fastest lap award in the bag now?

What?

Roy was making the point that a number of drivers have been badly affected by the new Pirelli tyre. Webber is one, Massa another.

A fundamental change in the tyres rewards different driving styles. For example Buttons "easy on tyres" reputation didnt count for much at various points in his career. In fact probably made qualifying far more difficult than it would have otherwise been.

With the new tyre, however, being gentle on tyres is a very important attribute for a driver. Vettel, Button, Alonso have made big gains in comparison to their team mates. Making a super soft option last a couple/three more laps means you do fewer laps on the shit prime tyre.

The Hamilton haters put it down to a million other things and whilst they have doubtless made a contribution I dont think people need to look too much further than the tyres this year as a reason for changes in intra team competitiveness.

[sh@un]

yes, Hamilton beats on his tyres too hard chasing fast laps, typically

it's been his biggest failing (discounting impetuous passing attempts in recent times)

[Roy]

Making a super soft option last a couple/three more laps means you do fewer laps on the shit prime tyre.

Scary thing is the testing at the moment is telling us that next years tyres and generall going to be softer and more fragile. There goes Webber having any chance. Lets go back to cold blown diffusers on last years tyres. The people in the know have commented the cars were pretty tricky to drive and Webber had the edge over Vettel in driving the tricky RBR. Come Hungary when RBR introduced the hot blown diffuser, sure Webber was mega quick and won the race...but he wasnt as quick as Vettel and it was the beginning of the change

[djr81]

Scary thing is the testing at the moment is telling us that next years tyres and generall going to be softer and more fragile. There goes Webber having any chance. Lets go back to cold blown diffusers on last years tyres. The people in the know have commented the cars were pretty tricky to drive and Webber had the edge over Vettel in driving the tricky RBR. Come Hungary when RBR introduced the hot blown diffuser, sure Webber was mega quick and won the race...but he wasnt as quick as Vettel and it was the beginning of the change

The thing (apart from the rubbish tyres) that annoys me is that the rules are now so proscriptive that even the weight distribution of the cars has to be within a tiny range. Bloody ridiculous.

Guessing Webber is going to back out of the sport without winning another GP. Still atleast we have another yocal in there, even if it is with the Hormone Replacement Therapy mob.

[sh@un]

Hopefully Ricky Ardo gets Webber's RBR gig when He's done

[tweety bird]

texas is going.

(pf1)

Earlier this week, construction on the Circuit of The Americas ground to a halt because of a dispute between Formula One, race promoters and developers.Tavo Hellmund's Full Throttle Production was believed to own the rights to host the race, however, the contract was recently cancelled by Ecclestone after Hellmund was found to be in breach.

And although Ecclestone attempted to agree a deal with the Circuit of The Americas, COTA claimed in a statement that "the contract between Formula One and Circuit of The Americas has not been conveyed to Circuit of The Americas per a previously agreed upon timetable."

This has thrown the race's place on the 2012 calendar into doubt with Ecclestone saying the only reason there is no contract is because COTA have not issued a guarantee that the F1 supremo will be paid.

"We've done everything we bloody well can do to make this race happen," Ecclestone told Press Association.

Explaining the situation, the 81-year-old said: "We had an agreement with Full Throttle Productions.

"Everything was signed and sealed, but we kept putting things off like the dates, various letters of credit and things that should have been sent, but nothing ever happened.

"Then these other people (COTA) came on the scene, saying that they wanted to do things, but that they had problems with Tavo.

"They said they had the circuit, and that they wanted an agreement with me. I told them they had to sort out the contract with Tavo, which they said they would.

"But that has gone away now because we've cancelled Tavo's contract as he was in breach.

"We've waited six months for him to remedy the breach. He knows full well why we've cancelled. He's happy.

"But these other people haven't got a contract. All we've asked them to do is get us a letter of credit.

"We are looking for security for money they are going to have to pay us. That is via a letter of credit, normally from a bank.

"If people don't have the money they find it difficult to get the letter of credit, and so we don't issue a contract."

Pressed as to whether the United States GP will be dropped when the official calendar is revealed on December 7th, Ecclestone said: "Yes, it will be, for sure, 100 percent."

that sucks man, i wanted to go there.

anyways another day another kimi rumour.

According to British motorsport journalist Joe Saward, it "is not as simple as most team-driver negotiations as I hear that Raikkonen is looking to acquire some equity in the team."

[ctjet]

you're killing me Frank... you're fcuking killing me

[djr81]

"According to British motorsport journalist Joe Saward."

There is an oxymoron if ever I heard one. Journalist and Joe Saward in the same sentence. He is a muppet.

[ctjet]

I remeber about a week ago somebody told me that kimi had also been talking to Renault, which i though far fetched considering the awkward spat he had with Eric Boullier not to long ago.

But now?

Vitaly Petrov hits out at Renault over lack of progress

Vitaly Petrov's future at Renault has been thrown into doubt after the Russian driver launched an amazing outburst against the team this week, in the first public sign of friction between himself and team management.

With Kubica looking more and more unlikey, it looks like theres a seat free at Renault, in 2012 at least

[260DET]

What?

Roy was making the point that a number of drivers have been badly affected by the new Pirelli tyre. Webber is one, Massa another.

A fundamental change in the tyres rewards different driving styles. For example Buttons "easy on tyres" reputation didnt count for much at various points in his career. In fact probably made qualifying far more difficult than it would have otherwise been.

With the new tyre, however, being gentle on tyres is a very important attribute for a driver. Vettel, Button, Alonso have made big gains in comparison to their team mates....................

Ah but it not only the driver who is relevant to tyre care, the car is too. Observing MW fighting the Red Bull in traffic while Vettel has cleared off into the clean air out front has become a common scenario, I'm surprised that it has not been generally realised that the Red Bull is a dog in dirty air which contributes significantly to tyre degradation.

[djr81]

Ah but it not only the driver who is relevant to tyre care, the car is too. Observing MW fighting the Red Bull in traffic while Vettel has cleared off into the clean air out front has become a common scenario, I'm surprised that it has not been generally realised that the Red Bull is a dog in dirty air which contributes significantly to tyre degradation.

Is it a dog in dirty air or do they run alot of down force with a (relatively) down on power motor (compare it to the MB brigades trap speeds)? Seeing the Red Bulls over take anything always looks like hard work. They are quick over a lap (maybe due to the downforce) but struggle to overtake.

So is it a downforce/drag thing or are you saying the car is inherently shit in and around others?

But either way you are right the effect of that is to make Webber look worse than he may otherwise.

[sh@un]

... it looks like theres a seat free at Renault, in 2012 at least

what was Petrov's outburst? "Why haven't you cvnts provided me with a car worthy of my sublime driving talent!?"

Observing MW fighting the Red Bull in traffic while Vettel has cleared off into the clean air out front has become a common scenario.

good thing The Tool's so good at balls-out banzai quali laps

little kraut focker