Jump to content
SAU Community

Thinking Of Doing A Runner From A Booze Bus?


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 86
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

That's a seperate issue Matt given your exemption with the 33 etc brings more attention to you. Never had any.cops so much as take a second glance at my car at a booze bus.

Long story short, he broke the law, cops did their job by following him. It was his own choices that led him to that. It's regrettable but it is not the police officers' fault. Sick of people having a whinge in situations like this where the driver is clearly at fault. Do what you want to your car but you KNOW it is illegal to modify ur car in Victoria and if you do it anyway and get caught take it on the chin like a real man...

In Japan I heard that there is a 0% alchohol limit for every body and if someone is caught everyone in the car and, if they had been at a party, everyone there also gets busted for letting them drive.

Sounds logical to me, and if that's not right maybe it should be.

Probably the driver here will also now agree, assuming that was their reason for running.

Besides I prefer to drink at home where it's not so far to the fridge.

The guy in the car was a friend of my boss and my boss is really shaken up by it. Apparently they had to cut him at the legs in the car to get him out of the car. That's pretty extreme and you can only imagine how bad the crash would have been for the ambos to go to that length.

That's a seperate issue Matt given your exemption with the 33 etc brings more attention to you. Never had any.cops so much as take a second glance at my car at a booze bus.

Long story short, he broke the law, cops did their job by following him. It was his own choices that led him to that. It's regrettable but it is not the police officers' fault. Sick of people having a whinge in situations like this where the driver is clearly at fault. Do what you want to your car but you KNOW it is illegal to modify ur car in Victoria and if you do it anyway and get caught take it on the chin like a real man...

This gal, she knows.......

how to be a man :blink:

And i actually did not add the facts up right, 3 of the fatals were in 2011 so thats 3 out of 716, but 0 out of 658 for 2010!

I wouldn't trust the Vic Pol's 'reported' figures. They ain't worth the paper they are printed on.

That's a seperate issue Matt given your exemption with the 33 etc brings more attention to you. Never had any.cops so much as take a second glance at my car at a booze bus.

Long story short, he broke the law, cops did their job by following him. It was his own choices that led him to that. It's regrettable but it is not the police officers' fault. Sick of people having a whinge in situations like this where the driver is clearly at fault. Do what you want to your car but you KNOW it is illegal to modify ur car in Victoria and if you do it anyway and get caught take it on the chin like a real man...

Not really a seperate issue when my rear P plate had fallen down and wasn't visible but the TMU officer still made the effort to walk from the bus 20m away to my car parked on the side of the road, JUST BECAUSE it was a skyline and told to park and wait.

Regardless this isn't the topic at hand, the whole system needs an overhaul and so do drivers attitudes in regards to breaking the law and its punishment.

retrospectively??

As unfortunate as the end result is, it still comes down to the actions of the driver... there's really no excuse for doing those speeds, let alone not stopping when chased by cops. If you are signalled by police to pull over, you stop, simple. Some of us drive cars that would easily outrun a cop car, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...

5 people have died already from police pursuits in Vic. There was a head on collision in Vic where someone coming the other way was hit head on.

Why don't the police just get the number plate and pay them a visit..... rather than chasing them and putting everyone at risk when there are other cars around?

Lots of motorists drive like twats...but there must be other means than chasing them when that has the potential to FURTHER endanger peoples lives.

I have a different view.

I believe any motorist trying to flee police in a motor vehicle, when safe for the rest of the public, should be stopped immediately by gunfire. Initially at the tyres, if they don't get the message, at the driver. If the driver has passengers, the cops should get closer before opening fire.

Within weeks, police chases would become a thing of the past.

That's a pretty stupid idea, this isn't grand theft auto. What would happen if police shot there left tyre and the driver lost control and went into the window of a house and killed 4 people?

I have a different view.

I believe any motorist trying to flee police in a motor vehicle, when safe for the rest of the public, should be stopped immediately by gunfire. Initially at the tyres, if they don't get the message, at the driver. If the driver has passengers, the cops should get closer before opening fire.

Within weeks, police chases would become a thing of the past.

have you ever fired a weapon? tires are an extremely small target, and dont forget the police will by trying to shoot from a moving car.

Stray bullets in public places arn't fun for anybody.

That's a pretty stupid idea, this isn't grand theft auto. What would happen if police shot there left tyre and the driver lost control and went into the window of a house and killed 4 people?

^also a good point

It's a sad situation for all involved. I know how scrutinised all the police members involved will be. I think pursuits are extremely dangerous and not entered into lightly. I don't know whether or not this was called as a pursuit if not then members could be in even more trouble. Once we call pursuit it gives the opportunity for our sgt, senior sergeant and inspector to call it off. Obviously the members can also call it off at any stage. I have been lucky or unlucky depends on how you see it and been in involved in about 40 pursuits. I have called most of them off myself as too dangerous including one where 10 seconds later they t boned another car at 160 kmh. All pursuits either get called off or end in collision. Not really worth it in my opinion. I have followed stolen cars lately and not even bothered to pursue them. I think we still need to pursue cars initially but some members make poor decisions to continue to go After car once too dangerous. That comes down to inexperience generally. I hope to be sgt soon and I will call off all pursuits immediately with my members involved. I don't think we can ever say no pursuits at all or everyone will run if they think we haven't got their registration. Unfortunately most of the fatal pursuits probably could or should have been called off as high speeds involved but without being involved can't really comment. Most of my pursuits were few years ago where group of teenagers stole cars daily and drove around deliberately getting in pursuits for fun. They were in hundreds and the courts gave them nothing as punishment. They only stopped when they became 18 and the main offenders brother died in a pursuit.

That's a pretty stupid idea, this isn't grand theft auto. What would happen if police shot there left tyre and the driver lost control and went into the window of a house and killed 4 people?

What if the criminal was on an open country road without any approaching motorists or houses?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/two-drivers-killed-after-police-pursuit-20120121-1qays.html

If a hail of gunfire was opened upon the criminal above as soon as he fled, chances are we'd have another innocent human still alive with us and a strong message that fleeing police isn't the right thing to do.

I'm not suggesting to use it in the suburbs. It wouldn't have been appropriate for the pursuit in the original post. Who cares about the tyre, shoot and shoot to kill, after all, these criminals are running around with what is practically a loaded weapon ready to kill a carload of innocent people.

edit - If shooting isn't appropriate, run the criminal off the road into a tree/power pole/anything as we've seen the American police do. I have no sympathy for anyone trying to run from police because it seriously endangers the public.

This certainly isn't something to do if you've been busted doing a crazy speed, however if you refuse to stop after the bluey's start chasing, it's fair game.

^^^ Agreed, when you know you've done the wrong thing and think you're about to get busted by the police (no matter how basic or severe), you're heart does race a million miles and you do consider all your options, while I don't think this guy made the right choice, I don't really think its fair to say well he's evading a cop because he doesn't want a defect, so shower the car with bullets.

^yeah

and im not sure how the public (and even the media) will receive the thought of police being allowed to shoot at cars practically on sight.

Also, who's gonna make the call when to shoot or not? i'd think such a decision'd be a bit big for individual subjectivity

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • I know why it happened and I’m embarrassed to say but I was testing the polarity of one of the led bulb to see which side was positive with a 12v battery and that’s when it decided to fry hoping I didn’t damage anything else
    • I came here to note that is a zener diode too base on the info there. Based on that, I'd also be suspicious that replacing it, and it's likely to do the same. A lot of use cases will see it used as either voltage protection, or to create a cheap but relatively stable fixed voltage supply. That would mean it has seen more voltage than it should, and has gone into voltage melt down. If there is something else in the circuit dumping out higher than it should voltages, that needs to be found too. It's quite likely they're trying to use the Zener to limit the voltage that is hitting through to the transistor beside it, so what ever goes to the zener is likely a signal, and they're using the transistor in that circuit to amplify it. Especially as it seems they've also got a capacitor across the zener. Looks like there is meant to be something "noisy" to that zener, and what ever it was, had a melt down. Looking at that picture, it also looks like there's some solder joints that really need redoing, and it might be worth having the whole board properly inspected.  Unfortunately, without being able to stick a multimeter on it, and start tracing it all out, I'm pretty much at a loss now to help. I don't even believe I have a climate control board from an R33 around here to pull apart and see if any of the circuit appears similar to give some ideas.
    • Nah - but you won't find anything on dismantling the seats in any such thing anyway.
    • Could be. Could also be that they sit around broken more. To be fair, you almost never see one driving around. I see more R chassis GTRs than the Renault ones.
    • Yeah. Nah. This is why I said My bold for my double emphasis. We're not talking about cars tuned to the edge of det here. We're talking about normal cars. Flame propagation speed and the amount of energy required to ignite the fuel are not significant factors when running at 1500-4000 rpm, and medium to light loads, like nearly every car on the road (except twin cab utes which are driven at 6k and 100% load all the time). There is no shortage of ignition energy available in any petrol engine. If there was, we'd all be in deep shit. The calorific value, on a volume basis, is significantly different, between 98 and 91, and that turns up immediately in consumption numbers. You can see the signal easily if you control for the other variables well enough, and/or collect enough stats. As to not seeing any benefit - we had a couple of EF and EL Falcons in the company fleet back in the late 90s and early 2000s. The EEC IV ECU in those things was particularly good at adding in timing as soon as knock headroom improved, which typically came from putting in some 95 or 98. The responsiveness and power improved noticeably, and the fuel consumption dropped considerably, just from going to 95. Less delta from there to 98 - almost not noticeable, compared to the big differences seen between 91 and 95. Way back in the day, when supermarkets first started selling fuel from their own stations, I did thousands of km in FNQ in a small Toyota. I can't remember if it was a Starlet or an early Yaris. Anyway - the supermarket servos were bringing in cheap fuel from Indonesia, and the other servos were still using locally refined gear. The fuel consumption was typically at least 5%, often as much as 8% worse on the Indo shit, presumably because they had a lot more oxygenated component in the brew, and were probably barely meeting the octane spec. Around the same time or maybe a bit later (like 25 years ago), I could tell the difference between Shell 98 and BP 98, and typically preferred to only use Shell then because the Skyline ran so much better on it. Years later I found the realtionship between them had swapped, as a consequence of yet more refinery closures. So I've only used BP 98 since. Although, I must say that I could not fault the odd tank of United 98 that I've run. It's probably the same stuff. It is also very important to remember that these findings are often dependent on region. With most of the refineries in Oz now dead, there's less variability in local stuff, and he majority of our fuels are not even refined here any more anyway. It probably depends more on which SE Asian refinery is currently cheapest to operate.
×
×
  • Create New...