So I Spun Out Again - Wtf Is Going On?

[joe2548]

ok so even if you dont like the ziex tyres

its rear tyre width... thats what makes cars slide in the wet... too much flat rubber and not enough channels for the water to run out of...

235/45/17's falkens for 4 years as a learner driver and never had those problems...

if you dont believe me by some other top notch brand 265's put them on the rear and go do the same thing... preferably dont crash or hurt someone.

[Hadouken]

Ive got 265's and see no problem in the rain

[tripsteady]

  On 13/11/2012 at 6:20 AM, Hadouken said:

Ive got 265's and see no problem in the rain

this.i dont see how having more rubber on the ground can be detrimental to grip as long as the tyre does channel water away appropriately(which the ziex doesnt) Its not about me not liking the Ziex , its the fact that time and time again they have been proven to be the worst wet weather tyre every produced. Like I said "joe1458" good luck on your spinning out goals of 2013.

in either case , having the ku31's with the same width has made a drastic difference....

[mad082]

  On 13/11/2012 at 5:11 AM, joe2548 said:

ok so even if you dont like the ziex tyres

its rear tyre width... thats what makes cars slide in the wet... too much flat rubber and not enough channels for the water to run out of...

235/45/17's falkens for 4 years as a learner driver and never had those problems...

if you dont believe me by some other top notch brand 265's put them on the rear and go do the same thing... preferably dont crash or hurt someone.

plenty of more expensive tyres run wider tyres and have no issues in the wet. i've driven a 250kw skyline with 265s on the rear in the wet and it had more grip than my v6 manga had with 235 ziex tyres.

[GTR-N1]

I noticed in an old stored Top Gear episode how whilst filming the 007 film Casino Royale, the stuntmen were having trouble unsettling the Aston enough to flip it. They fitted Ziex Lol

[Birds]

It is true that wider tyres can give you less traction in the wet, but there are too many variables to throw that out there as a blanket statement. It won't apply to all tyre types or situations.

Tread pattern has more influence than width (within reason). How you define "wet" is another variable; the wider-tyres-grip-less-in-wet mantra usually applies to aquaplaning across puddles of water, not a damp road or a bit of rain.

NB: The big difference between cheap and expensive brands is usually wet weather performance, road noise and longevity. Dry performance is easy...$99 tyres can grip like $300 tyres in the dry...there have been more than a few magazine tests of tyres showing this. The difference in money goes into tread design for wet weather and noise reduction.

[Birds]

Oh and if you have aftermarket suspension, get the thing corner weighted and set up to handle. People probably don't realise how much they are fking with an exact science by changing variables like ride height or swapping in parts that never came with the car. Nissan engineers didn't just slap the thing together out of spare parts

[sydking]

  On 13/11/2012 at 3:44 PM, Birds said:

Oh and if you have aftermarket suspension, get the thing corner weighted and set up to handle. People probably don't realise how much they are fking with an exact science by changing variables like ride height or swapping in parts that never came with the car. Nissan engineers didn't just slap the thing together out of spare parts

Good advice! Id rather stick with stock suspension then just bolt in some coil-overs and drive off.

[GTR-N1]

Huh?

  On 13/11/2012 at 10:24 PM, sydking said:

Good advice! Id rather stick with stock suspension then just bolt in some coil-overs and drive off.

Oh, it's "than" - not "then"

[sydking]

  On 14/11/2012 at 3:23 AM, Terry_GT-R34 said:

Huh?

Oh, it's "than" - not "then"

haha, i was was thinking it sounded a little funny myself... Just couldn't pick it.

[joe2548]

hmmm... I'm just speaking from experience with the falkens, but maybe I got used to driving with them... as an L-plater... thats 9 years ago.

  On 13/11/2012 at 6:35 AM, tripsteady said:

this.i dont see how having more rubber on the ground can be detrimental to grip as long as the tyre does channel water away appropriately(which the ziex doesnt) Its not about me not liking the Ziex , its the fact that time and time again they have been proven to be the worst wet weather tyre every produced. Like I said "joe1458" good luck on your spinning out goals of 2013.

hmm well as long as you dont spin out... I'm not here to tell you what is going to solve your problems, just telling you the wider rear tyres make spinning out in the wet more likely, as far as me I'll be fine... even with 'crap' tyres... If you blame tyres on spinning out then I guess you can blame other things too... maybe your car has a legit problem or.... there is this place...

its called....

learntodrive.com I heard they have all the answers. ^^

[tripsteady]

  On 14/11/2012 at 10:06 AM, joe2548 said:

hmmm... I'm just speaking from experience with the falkens, but maybe I got used to driving with them... as an L-plater... thats 9 years ago.

hmm well as long as you dont spin out... I'm not here to tell you what is going to solve your problems, just telling you the wider rear tyres make spinning out in the wet more likely, as far as me I'll be fine... even with 'crap' tyres... If you blame tyres on spinning out then I guess you can blame other things too... maybe your car has a legit problem or.... there is this place...

its called....

learntodrive.com I heard they have all the answers. ^^

used to spin out in wet. changed to kumho ku31's.dont spin out anymore. end of conversation and thread.

[joe2548]

glad for you.

[MBS206]

I run cheap shitty tyres that don't like to grip in the wet overly well on my XR6T at the moment, it will hang the tail at a moments notice, it's tail happy as a bitch once it breaks loose. Never had a problem spinning. Why? DRIVE TO THE CONDITIONS!

40KM/H on most roundabouts will send you around in any car in the wet!

Oh and since you know the car is tail happy, PREDICT the over steer and drive with it! (No, I'm not saying be all tokyo drift just learn to drive around it and with it).

Oh, and please slow down for roundabouts more.

[AshR34GTT]

  On 17/11/2012 at 5:28 AM, MBS206 said:

I run cheap shitty tyres that don't like to grip in the wet overly well on my XR6T at the moment, it will hang the tail at a moments notice, it's tail happy as a bitch once it breaks loose. Never had a problem spinning. Why? DRIVE TO THE CONDITIONS!

40KM/H on most roundabouts will send you around in any car in the wet!

Oh and since you know the car is tail happy, PREDICT the over steer and drive with it! (No, I'm not saying be all tokyo drift just learn to drive around it and with it).

Oh, and please slow down for roundabouts more.

  On 14/11/2012 at 12:45 PM, tripsteady said:

used to spin out in wet. changed to kumho ku31's.dont spin out anymore. end of conversation and thread.

?

[Nii San]

had a locker on my series 5 rx7 bought some falken ziex's.... never again

Edited December 20, 2012 by Nii San

[tripsteady]

  On 20/12/2012 at 10:54 AM, Nii San said:

had a locker on my series 5 rx7 bought some falken ziex's.... never again

falken ziex's...not even once

Ive now got ku31's all round. its all good now

seriously guys we need to start a petition or something to prevent these tyres from being sold.it is by far the most dangerous tyres to drive on,outright stupidly bad in the wet. who can we contact, its now a safety issue for all those who purchase these...

[Ph@t-G]

Unfortunately tyres are just like anything else made on the market, different tyre range is made to a price point that consumers are willing to pay for.

It's always beggars belief for me to think that people spend so much money on performance mods, or even rims itself, only to slap on some ling long sun dragon good life tyres to save a buck. At the end of the day, no matter how good your mods are, it's these for little pieces of rubber that's the difference between keeping you on the road or wrapping your car around a telegraph pole.

[Sunkist]

my falkens are shit, im hoping to wear them right out at sandown tomorrow to have an excuse to change them. lol

under steer on an evo should not be evident at very very low speeds

shit tyres are shit.

[tripsteady]

  On 21/12/2012 at 4:29 AM, Ph@t-G said:

Unfortunately tyres are just like anything else made on the market, different tyre range is made to a price point that consumers are willing to pay for.

It's always beggars belief for me to think that people spend so much money on performance mods, or even rims itself, only to slap on some ling long sun dragon good life tyres to save a buck. At the end of the day, no matter how good your mods are, it's these for little pieces of rubber that's the difference between keeping you on the road or wrapping your car around a telegraph pole.

yes but cheaper tyres have been known to grip better then these in the wet. its not like they are $50 a tyre either. I expected more from a company like falken..what where they thinking...