Which Big Brake Kit

[V8cat]

Anyone ?

[omnigear]

Wouldn't a F40 be sufficient with floating rotors for most driving needs.

[JimmyRickard]

So.. trying to find someone reliable/affordable to machine dogbones etc. for my V8 Supercar alcons is proving to be a bit challenging. (My calipers https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1094662_10153125748100301_2119536866_o.jpg )

The Alcon extremes (http://www.jdl-brakes.com/alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-6-pot-o365x32-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html) appear to be a much easier upgrade as they come with all the parts ready to install.

Aside from running a smaller rotor, what are the main differences between this kit and the calipers I already own?

Brakes are for a 32 GTR track car, mainly doing sprints.

[Roy]

Well the kit you have allows you to run a bigger rotor with better wheel clearance. It is lighter than the Advantage caliper. But those things are all bee's d1ck things. The one main reason why your calipers are superior is the titanium pistons work waaay better at keeping the heat from the pad out of the brake fluid.

But again, the Advantage kit is pretty damn competent on most track GTRs. Especially if you are going to get stung for $600 for a pair of radial mounts. $800-1000 for the hats and bobbins to work with the V8 Supercar rotor...then lines and pads. Buying $1500 calipers can quickly add up to serious money if you dont have a line on good combination rotors and hats.

If you are going to run those calipers I personally would go brab some off the shelf 380x35mm rotors, either aftermarket or off an R35 and then just pay the money for the radial mounts

[JimmyRickard]

So if I run R35 rotors I don't need custom top hats & bobbins?

Is a radial mount the same thing as a dogbone? Who does them for $600?

[White GTS-T]

Lug mount, is your traditional mounting style that comes standard. Radial mount calipers differ, in that the caliper bolts go through the top of the caliper to the upright. It's regarded as the better, stiffer way to mount the calipers. You can get radial mount dogbones.

[djr81]

So if I run R35 rotors I don't need custom top hats & bobbins?

Is a radial mount the same thing as a dogbone? Who does them for $600?

You can run whatever hat/rotor combination you like but Troys point is that the replacement cost of the rotor (or hat and rotor) is one of the big considerations in its selection. By using a part from a certain vehicle (eg R35) you are getting a component that will be made by a number of different manufacturers which will help keep the price down. Eg Project Mu 324x30 hatted rotor is thereabout of a grand. The 345x32 is double that. The other cost consideration is the price of a pad. same story there. Buy an orphan pattern and you will get screwed every time you need pads.

Yes a dogbone and a radial mount are, essentially the same thing. A radial mount uses bolts that align radially to bolt up the calliper, a dogbone has locating bolts at 90 degrees to that - hence the same as it looks a bit like a dogbone. You need to find a machine shop and give them some drawings. I have tried and utterly failed to find someone for this sort of thing. But this is a one off cost, not a recurring one.

[DaanGTR]

So.. trying to find someone reliable/affordable to machine dogbones etc. for my V8 Supercar alcons is proving to be a bit challenging. (My calipers https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1094662_10153125748100301_2119536866_o.jpg )

The Alcon extremes (http://www.jdl-brakes.com/alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-6-pot-o365x32-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html) appear to be a much easier upgrade as they come with all the parts ready to install.

Aside from running a smaller rotor, what are the main differences between this kit and the calipers I already own?

Brakes are for a 32 GTR track car, mainly doing sprints.

I use Alcon front and rear kit for one year on my R34 GTR. So far 12 track events, and these brakes are best mods I've ever done.

[JimmyRickard]

Would the 343mm kit fit under 17's?

http://www.jdl-brakes.com/alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-6-pot-o343x32-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html

[Roy]

Some 17s ... not all 17s. Based on my experience with 343mm setup and CSC calipers, AP CP5555 and F40/50 calipers and 343mm rotors thinhs like AVS Model 6, Work XD9s, 57 Gram Lights, CE28s etc wont fit inside 17" wheels. Teh CE28s fitted but not enough clearance

Things like Weds, LM GT4s, TE37s etc will do it easy. I have not tried them but people seem to enjoy some luck with Enkei RP-F1s etc

If you want to guarantee fitment inside a 17" wheel then you need to go 332mm rotor

[JimmyRickard]

Would need them to fit under Panasport G7's like these:

What do you think?

[Roy]

Fatz had them on his GTR running 324mm Brembos. They needed a spacer to clear the offset....not sure they would clear radially though with 343mm

Measure the min ID of them and I will throw my Alcon Mono 6 over my 343mm rotor and get a diameter for you

[DaanGTR]

Would need them to fit under Panasport G7's like these:

What do you think?

I afraid, they won't fit.

[Piggaz]

Have just ordered RS 19's for the front for the advantage calipers on a R33 GTR. Will report back.... Anything would be better than the 2500's.

[V8cat]

Have just ordered RS 19's for the front for the advantage calipers on a R33 GTR. Will report back.... Anything would be better than the 2500's.

Did you mean DS2500 or DS Performance ? I thought they come with DS Performance http://www.jdl-brakes.com/special-offer-alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-and-rear-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html

[vspecIInur]

DS Performance are probably just worse than the 2500's and it's true what V8cat is saying that they come with those average... pads lol

[DaanGTR]

DS Performance pads are better than I thought. When mine kit came, I was ready to put RS29 for first use, but my mechanic put original pads ( DS-P ) by mistake. I can say, for normal street use, they are not bad. I haven't tested them on track, but if someone use car on street only, DS Performance are not bad choice.

I heard that Alcon kits what we buy, are street legal in Europe, that's why they come with street legal pads.

[Piggaz]

Did you mean DS2500 or DS Performance ? I thought they come with DS Performance http://www.jdl-brakes.com/special-offer-alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-and-rear-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html

You could be right.

Either way, the pads that the kit comes with are junk.

[SpeedR1]

anyone use this front http://www.jdl-brakes.com/alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-6-pot-o365x32-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html with stock rear ?

[DaanGTR]

Order front and rear, best combo imo http://www.jdl-brakes.com/special-offer-alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-and-rear-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html