Forced Performance Hta Turbos

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

I love how the boost comes on so early vs. the power output.. true amazeballs

[GTScotT]

Because going straight to a 94HTA might be too much of a jump in one shot?

LOL no no, because of a reason he can't recall

Why not super 99? Because of reason cannot recall.

[juggernaut1]

I find it interesting that FP no longer offer twin scroll housings........

E85 and other variants have probably reduced the dependency on twin scroll systems somewhat. This and twin scroll setups are still likely to cap peak outputs....which is no good from a marketing point of view.

Still prefer a twin scroll setup myself on a street car - coupled with E85.

[34GeeTeeTee]

Because going straight to a 94HTA might be too much of a jump in one shot?

Lol you clowns haha

[Lithium]

E85 and other variants have probably reduced the dependency on twin scroll systems somewhat. This and twin scroll setups are still likely to cap peak outputs....which is no good from a marketing point of view.

Still prefer a twin scroll setup myself on a street car - coupled with E85.

Yeah, me too. My RB based dream build is pretty much an R33 GTR with an RB30/26 and a TS 3794HTA on the side of it - the concept seems like good thing I get probably a little too happy just thinking about it hahaha

Lol you clowns haha

You get that, because of a reason I can't recall

[GTScotT]

Yeah, me too. My RB based dream build is pretty much an R33 GTR with an RB30/26 and a TS 3794HTA on the side of it - the concept seems like good thing I get probably a little too happy just thinking about it hahaha

You get that, because of a reason I can't recall

LOL that's the spirit.

P.S. I would say we dream about the same things, but if you were dreaming about my wife I would be worried. So for now it will have to be just our R33 dreams, for reason I can't recall.

[34GeeTeeTee]

Yeah, me too. My RB based dream build is pretty much an R33 GTR with an RB30/26 and a TS 3794HTA on the side of it - the concept seems like good thing I get probably a little too happy just thinking about it hahaha

You get that, because of a reason I can't recall

I cant recall how this all started..... But git farked

[GTScotT]

Apparently I cannot post in this thread. lol.

EDIT OH NOW I CAN.

[34GeeTeeTee]

Apparently I cannot post in this thread. lol.

EDIT OH NOW I CAN.

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[Lithium]

Have had confirmation that the Super94 and Super 99 HTA turbos will have T4 twin scroll and TiAL exhaust housings as an option soon which is fantastic, imho.

[juggernaut1]

Quick question - does anyone know whether the HTA turbos use the Garrett cores with the metal bearing cages which I understand are used in the GTX turbo's or the plastic bearing cages as typically found in the traditional GT style turbos.

http://garrettbulletin.com/techcorner/garrett-by-honeywell-ball-bearing-turbochargers

Edited August 31, 2013 by juggernaut1

[GTScotT]

I asked FP this question about a year ago and did not get a direct answer. However, they did say the core is an off the shelf GT item and will be the same as what is found in a normal GT3076R.

Thus... Expect it to be a plastic cage.

[juggernaut1]

I sent them an email today .......so will see if the response has changed. Am hoping they are using the gtx cores.

I was looking at the hta 3582 or hta 3586 for my G6E turbo. Otherwise the GTX 3576 would be a punchy performer on the falcon motor.

Edited August 31, 2013 by juggernaut1

[GTScotT]

Unless you are ordering this as a 'highflow' alternative to slot into the OEM housing I would definitely be looking at something bigger. Even their 3786 I would say is a better option... Not to go back on the said theme of going 'bigger' but I am sure you could get a local turbo builder to reprofile the OEM housing to accommodate the GT37 turbine, too.

To me I see the barra as wanting a larger hotside than it has a compressor, so if to pick from a 3582 or 3586 logically my theory would say to pick the 3582... BUT results have indicated the 3582HTA packs the usual 3582 punch but sports response closer to that of a garden variety 3076R.

So... It seems like you want a smallish upgrade, but personally I don't think those turbos are good options for the barra. Maybe Lith can chime in and push a super 94 LOL?? Now that would be an interesting upgrade

[Lithium]

Did you see my post a few back of the 3794R on the XR6? There are a few 450-550kw XR6T HTA3794 things lurking in Oz if I understand correctly

[juggernaut1]

Yep only looking for a small upgrade....not really looking at more than 400rwkws on 98 with minimal mods.

Edited August 31, 2013 by juggernaut1

[GTScotT]

Am unsure if the sheer efficiency of these turbos will mean the 4L motor maxes it out super early (caps power at a low rpm but spools mega quick) or if their said efficiency will mean it can cope.. Perhaps the fact they can cope with 5 bar PR will mean the later... Unsure.

I think HG has also done some XR6 stuff, maybe ask him for a link to some results by PM. (if serious about the small upgrade/highflow path)

[juggernaut1]

Did you see my post a few back of the 3794R on the XR6? There are a few 450-550kw XR6T HTA3794 things lurking in Oz if I understand correctly

450 -500 is gtx 3582 territory on e85 on a stock ford and generally 400 plus on 98. In any case is far more than I am wanting from my daily which has to pull my boat.

Happy to step it down to the gtx 3576 for bit less.

Edited September 1, 2013 by juggernaut1

[R377]

Which did you go for?

3582 & a link plug in ecu. You and Matt will be the first two to get the results.....

[hypergear]

I've reconditioned many XR6 BA turbochargers up to date, the highest power level I've seen was 430rwkws on E85 fuel. Probably because there are so many of them, I only found a small percentage of cars been modified. Out of the minority the average power level is between 330~360rwkws, many of them been autos.


On a Rb25det this turbocharger is horribly laggy, throttle response was poor, definitely nothing enjoyable for a daily.

Just for some fun, I dragged a close customer's R33 that currently has a GT3582R .82 turbocharger fitted, with my Kia sportage at his private run way at a farm yard. He's car is "said" to be tuned at 397rwkws, and my Kia has only 176fwkws. He wasn't been able to beat me till 140KM/H, and obviously at that point I could see him flying pass like a rocket.

The 3576 isn't much better then a 3582, which I originally thought it might pickup some response, the difference was very marginal, but it did pull 347rwkws on a stock manifold internally gated at 29psi.

I have finely tuned a ATR45 turbocharger (XR6 BA replacement) to work with a Rb25det, which I will use it for a base map running against those billet SS4 prototypes that I've made. At this point it is pretty derivable unlike the original item. I should have some results tomorrow, and very interested to see if HTA can tackle the lag issue better.