dori34 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 if only massa took out Vettel as well.. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7309013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr81 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Some good news on a sad day. Mr Westacott revealed from next year, the Australian Grand Prix's trophy will be re-named. "Australian and international drivers alike can aspire to win the Sir Jack Brabham Trophy," Mr Westacott said. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7309118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missileman Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 lets hope its a trophy fitting of such a great man, and not one of those silly looking cat dishes Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7309124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad082 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I wouldn't say that dan had a small window when it came to passing perez. He was stuck behind him for ages after the last pit stop. For a few laps it looked like he had more chance to get overtaken by Vettel more than get passed perez. Had Dan been able to get passed sooner then Vettel would've gotten second instead of third. I was actually kind of cheering Vettel on for once in that race (after Dan). It would've been nice to see Mercedes being beaten in full on racing rather than just limping around for the second half of the race waiting (and waiting and waiting) for the rest to catch up and pass them. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7309209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
89CAL Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Yeah it is rather depressing that mercedes had such a disadvantage for near half the race and Dan still only just beat them. Albeit Perez held them up an awful lot, its still quite impressive how fast that mercedes must be around those corners as well as the straights (when the power unit is working) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7309296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrd-hr30 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) if only massa took out Vettel as well.. yeah, massa's fault! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUEbC1bf2sc Edited June 11, 2014 by hrd-hr30 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7309474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr81 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 lets hope its a trophy fitting of such a great man, and not one of those silly looking cat dishes The trophies (Or the first place one) are, if memory serves, based on the steering wheel in one of the Coopers Brabham drove. Youll see the thin wooden trim around the outside. Not sure if the diameter is right but it may be. So they are atleast ok in their inspiration if maybe not so much in their execution. Still there are plenty of more shit ones at the various races. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7309575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr81 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) I wouldn't say that dan had a small window when it came to passing perez. He was stuck behind him for ages after the last pit stop. For a few laps it looked like he had more chance to get overtaken by Vettel more than get passed perez. Had Dan been able to get passed sooner then Vettel would've gotten second instead of third. I was actually kind of cheering Vettel on for once in that race (after Dan). It would've been nice to see Mercedes being beaten in full on racing rather than just limping around for the second half of the race waiting (and waiting and waiting) for the rest to catch up and pass them. There doesnt appear to be any numbers for the race but looking at the trap speeds in quali: Pos No Driver Time of Day Speed 1 11 Sergio Perez 13:05:19 337.7 2 19 Felipe Massa 13:28:15 337.5 3 77 Valtteri Bottas 13:27:53 335.6 4 44 Lewis Hamilton 13:53:28 334.0 5 6 Nico Rosberg 13:05:40 333.6 6 27 Nico Hulkenberg 13:27:50 333.4 7 26 Daniil Kvyat 13:30:55 332.0 8 25 Jean-Eric Vergne 13:31:08 331.7 9 20 Kevin Magnussen 13:05:49 331.5 10 22 Jenson Button 13:06:47 330.3 11 4 Max Chilton 13:06:41 328.7 12 7 Kimi Räikkönen 13:29:55 328.4 13 8 Romain Grosjean 13:31:25 328.3 14 14 Fernando Alonso 13:29:58 327.7 15 99 Adrian Sutil 13:05:31 326.4 16 3 Daniel Ricciardo 14:00:20 326.4 17 17 Jules Bianchi 13:08:37 325.9 18 1 Sebastian Vettel 13:31:04 325.1 19 9 Marcus Ericsson 13:04:50 323.5 20 10 Kamui Kobayashi 13:08:01 322.7 21 13 Pastor Maldonado 13:05:01 321.2 Yet again the RedBulls were near on the slowest and anything with MB power was up the front. Chico fastest of all. The DRS can only do so much. Dan only got past Perez when he started to have brake problems which meant he only had a small window to get it done and get after Britney. Had he not got either move done when he did it would have been p2 at best. Edited June 12, 2014 by djr81 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7309654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
25GTT Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So, my question is, does red bull have the tech (and money) to be able to get backup to mercedes speed prior to the end of the season? or will that tech be copied in the off season in time for next year? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7310647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr81 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Well it is generally regarded as being a Renault issue more so than a RedBull issue. So I am going to go with no. That is based on the restrictions placed on the engine manufacturers as much as anything. Hoping Renault get their sh!t together for 2015. And Honda too, come to that. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7310655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
89CAL Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 RBR Mercedes, Dan world champion. STR's are still Renault arent they? they are by far the 'fastest' Renault powered cars, but they didnt have the best run in Canada so maybe it was all down to a lower downforce setup Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7310681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggroman Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 STR are ferrari power units Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7310717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr81 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Nah not anymore. They used to be but now they have Renault motors. Cant figure out why the RedBull's dont pretend their engines are Infiniti's by the way. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7310719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
89CAL Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 RBR Nissan? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7310754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
89CAL Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 yeah, massa's fault! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUEbC1bf2sc To me it looks a bit 50/50. But honestly Massa had plenty of room, Perez was entitled to have a look up the inside of Vettel. Both turned towards each other a bit but to me Massa turned in harder Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7311041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
89CAL Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Double post Edited June 13, 2014 by 89CAL Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7311042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolverine Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Massa was expecting Perez to follow the same line as Vettel by the look of it. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7311084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrd-hr30 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) yeah, the racing line... you are not allowed to change your line when someone has an overlap, that's the rule! Even if it just their front wing that overlaps. In this case is was wheel to wheel contact. Perez does not have any entitlement to look up the inside of Vettel if there is another car already beside him - which clearly there was. You can't go around swerving at a guy who has an overlap in a 300kph braking zone. Bu tthat's not what Vettel was doing anyway - Vettel was 2.5-3 car lengths up the road and Perez was nursing rear brakes at the time! Edited June 14, 2014 by hrd-hr30 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7311194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinks Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 racing incident. they were both clumsy and turned into each other. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7311506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad082 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 So, my question is, does red bull have the tech (and money) to be able to get backup to mercedes speed prior to the end of the season? or will that tech be copied in the off season in time for next year?They have the money, yes, but given that no performance changes are allowed to be made to the engines, only "reliability" changes. So we won't see changes to their pace till next season. Even then they can't make massive changes.As for rbr vs str, I'd say that aero package and chassis, and possibly even gear ratios, are the reason for the speed difference. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/435485-formula-one-2014/page/85/#findComment-7311848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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