Vic Wasteland Thread - 15.0

[Kinkstaah]

6 hours ago, Birds said:

This doesn't make sense to me. Preference is preference but, all things equal in terms of power, a GTS-T will never hook up as good or as fast as a GTR at the 400kw atw mark and if it does it's because you're running warm slicks on a lovely dry road and you've put a ton of effort into your setup (like Luke's), or you simply don't have that much power. Post-launch it's a different ballgame, AWD starts to rob you of power, but it's never enough to negate the awesome launch...the quarter mile times don't lie and there's a reason people burn money on GTRs instead of the cheaper GTS-Ts even below 600.

This AWD means I can have a 500cc increase over my GTS-T, another 125kw atw and produce essentially similar response but with even better grip. That's the goal here. Everyone shoots for big power in GTRs and utilising the last 3500rpm of an 8000rpm of powerband. f**k that. Looking forward to the response.

P.S. The ideal launch in my GTS-T does not have a number given the tacho doesn't work...I now have to do this by feel ?

 

 

The GTR gives you an advantage for the first 4 seconds. For the rest of the lap or twisty mountain road then it's a heavy traction control system that may or may not be in use.

And it costs you $50K extra. (in this specific example I tested)

Yes if you are especially enjoying 1st gear then the GTR will be better. I find that this is approximately 0.00001% of my enthusiast driving in the real world or on the track though.

[UNR33L]

14 hours ago, emts said:

Move to the country and work from home...you know you want to.

 

Wish I could, but if I loose my job or want to change jobs.. would never find something local! 

[Birds]

37 minutes ago, Kinkstaah said:

The GTR gives you an advantage for the first 4 seconds. For the rest of the lap or twisty mountain road then it's a heavy traction control system that may or may not be in use.

And it costs you $50K extra. (in this specific example I tested)

Yes if you are especially enjoying 1st gear then the GTR will be better. I find that this is approximately 0.00001% of my enthusiast driving in the real world or on the track though.

For what I do as far as fun on the street it's going to be significantly better. The GTS-T is definitely better bang for your buck and as I've said before I wouldn't buy a GTR at the prices they are, which is why I'm already considering when I was sell. It's also comforting to know that I can get off the line in the wet at a reasonable pace with summer tyres cause my GTS-T really struggles on an uphill or with bumps in the wet.

[UNR33L]

Doesn't GTR just send power to the rear when not needed at the front so it doesn't rob power anyway? 

I used to LOVE how the GTR snapped the back out and grabbed itself with it's front end, making you look like a better driver than you actually are, you basically point the wheel where you want it to go in first or 2nd gear flat foot and it works it out. Do that in a GTST and you're counter steering 

Edited May 21, 2018 by UNR33L

[emts]

1 hour ago, UNR33L said:

Wish I could, but if I loose my job or want to change jobs.. would never find something local! 

 

I did contemplate that, but when your sub 1 hour drive to CBD less to most northern and western suburbs and similar to eastern, it's not that bad.

the train from the local station to Southern cross is 40 min

 

how long would it take you to do the same now? would it be worth prob 30 min difference for a lifestyle improvement?

 

This move is not for your mid 20 single person who wants to go our every night, but by time you get to 30's settle down and want a family, which would you prefer, raising a child in a small unit with no back yard, or a half acre with trees and a large rooms.

 

[Birds]

 

1 hour ago, UNR33L said:

Doesn't GTR just send power to the rear when not needed at the front so it doesn't rob power anyway? 

I used to LOVE how the GTR snapped the back out and grabbed itself with it's front end, making you look like a better driver than you actually are, you basically point the wheel where you want it to go in first or 2nd gear flat foot and it works it out. Do that in a GTST and you're counter steering 

I think so. You can get a controller for it too, to adjust the level of split, but it's still dead weight and some drivetrain loss I think even in RWD.

It's not as good as the Evo system, which is truly point and shoot, particularly the IX (from memory) which dominated Bathurst at the endurance racing and still does.

The first time I experienced what you're talking about, Harsh was taking me for a thrash around Chadstone and I thought he'd lost it going around the traffic lights but it just held true to its path. Really cool, but with higher cornering speeds and traction in the wet as a catalyst, once you lose it in an AWD, you can really lose it.

[Birds]

32 minutes ago, emts said:

 

I did contemplate that, but when your sub 1 hour drive to CBD less to most northern and western suburbs and similar to eastern, it's not that bad.

the train from the local station to Southern cross is 40 min

 

how long would it take you to do the same now? would it be worth prob 30 min difference for a lifestyle improvement?

 

This move is not for your mid 20 single person who wants to go our every night, but by time you get to 30's settle down and want a family, which would you prefer, raising a child in a small unit with no back yard, or a half acre with trees and a large rooms.

 

Few more factors at play though; proximity to friends, family, services, metropolitan shopping centres and cafes, beach and mountains, general variety etc. If you can deal with rural life then it's kind of more power to you because there are some bargain buys that make city and suburban property prices look idiotic. Bendigo / surrounding suburbs and Tasmania gave me a good taste of that. Launceston had from memory 100 acres of land for about 200k 5 mins from their CBD. I'd like to invest in Tasmanian land one day and land is just one of those things that in the long investment game just mulitiplies in value.

My solution when first home buying was instead to buy in a high growth suburb half hour from the city, townhouse with no backyard but next to a huge park with a playground that they'll never pave over. Got very lucky on that. 20 mins to and from work is my kind of lifestyle improvement as I believe the greatest waste of life is time spent on the road to and from work. Keeping in mind how fast the suburb is growing, we are considering a second story for it as an investment because the position is fantastic.

 

[Birds]

Speaking of, I wonder how Simon is finding Narre...hopefully hasn't been collected by a Sudanese gang ?

[emts]

2 minutes ago, Birds said:

Few more factors at play though; proximity to friends, family, services, metropolitan shopping centres and cafes, beach and mountains, general variety etc. If you can deal with rural life then it's kind of more power to you because there are some bargain buys that make city and suburban property prices look idiotic. Bendigo / surrounding suburbs and Tasmania gave me a good taste of that. Launceston had from memory 100 acres of land for about 200k 5 mins from their CBD. I'd like to invest in Tasmanian land one day and land is just one of those things that in the long investment game just mulitiplies in value.

 My solution when first home buying was instead to buy in a high growth suburb half hour from the city, townhouse with no backyard but next to a huge park with a playground that they'll never pave over. Got very lucky on that. 20 mins to and from work is my kind of lifestyle improvement as I believe the greatest waste of life is time spent on the road to and from work. Keeping in mind how fast the suburb is growing, we are considering a second story for it as an investment because the position is fantastic.

  

agreed not for every-one.

and have seen your logic of travel mentioned before and completely understand.

I'm lucky that I go to the office once every week to 2 weeks, else I'm in my home office in 9 steps.

but talking to the folks at my work as we are "fairly" cbd, most people are looking at 30+ minutes to get to work anyhow so over an hour and still melb based. 

from the wallan area Epping plaza is about 20 min away with cinemas and most shops you could want.

(started using the reading Cinema there and never going back, every day is 20$ gold class tickets, or 15$ premium cinema (only difference is you have to carry your own food/drink in still has a food menu and alcohol) 

the friends/family is a big thing, however now we have space we have seen more of family and friends that the previous year so has turned out well., that said being that neither of us had family in melb that was less of an issue.

Katie being a Nurse with extra qualifications can also get a job where ever she wants so that made it even easier.

 

it took us a long time to make the call, but we worked out the bare minimum we wanted in house/land and we were going to be spending serious coin for very outer suburbs so we started looking further afield and just realized would have to be insane not to.

[Count Grantleyish]

Doesn't GTR just send power to the rear when not needed at the front so it doesn't rob power anyway? 
I used to LOVE how the GTR snapped the back out and grabbed itself with it's front end, making you look like a better driver than you actually are, you basically point the wheel where you want it to go in first or 2nd gear flat foot and it works it out. Do that in a GTST and you're counter steering 

Bingo.

[Leroy Peterson]

If i move west/north do i need livestock to mow my lawns? Or is there lawns at all? Most looks semi arid with little to no flora for miles.
How many of those houses are located near prisons?

[Leroy Peterson]

Also, i drive passed those country mcmansions on a big empty hill and assume its always galeforce winds up there, plus heaps of noise from the freeways.

And birds, if you planned to capatalise on R33 prices once americans can import them, why spend all this money on a barrys build?

[emts]

yeah we wanted to avoid freeways and it's not hard to.

 

that said no idea on how how far the noise travels, guessing it pretty far however.

 

and yes even not on top of a hill we are planting a bunch of trees to kill the wind.

 

our aim was 2 acres which would not have livestock on it.

we ended up with 6.5 as there are just no smaller ones available, however 12 have just over an acre of established trees, the dam and surround takes up another acre, so we will be fencing off about 2.5-3 and having a cow and some sheep that will rotate onto the BBQ when ready. rest is just space for orchard, vegi patch and a huge shed,

[UNR33L]

If I had the land I'd hire a bobcat and have to make a dirt bike track.. would be good fun. 

[Leroy Peterson]

Land for me is for paddack basher/garage and firing range lol. Maybe archery range if guns not legal.

But other than that, more land = mow maintenace/mowing.

I was taking an interest on properties on buxton river or rubican river. Land with power and river certainly cranks up the price.

[emts]

I did the motocross track when i was a kid, me and a couple mates grabbed dad's front end loader and went at it in a 100 acre paddock...

good times till I cracked the motobike frame.

 

we have done a bit of paddock bashing/donut action whilst potentially mildly intoxicated..stupid but fun

 

 

[dezz]

Kia Sportage? leather, sunroofs, sat nav etc

Any issues with diesel cars? I know nothing about em... high kms though, says country kms but still, high..

[dezz]

Hyundai i30

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Hyundai-i30-2014/SSE-AD-5435941/?Cr=47

[dezz]

2012 accord euro.. better looking than both of the above

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Honda-Accord-Euro-2012/SSE-AD-4068156/?Cr=74

[TiTAN]

 
I think so. You can get a controller for it too, to adjust the level of split, but it's still dead weight and some drivetrain loss I think even in RWD.
It's not as good as the Evo system, which is truly point and shoot, particularly the IX (from memory) which dominated Bathurst at the endurance racing and still does.
The first time I experienced what you're talking about, Harsh was taking me for a thrash around Chadstone and I thought he'd lost it going around the traffic lights but it just held true to its path. Really cool, but with higher cornering speeds and traction in the wet as a catalyst, once you lose it in an AWD, you can really lose it.

The evo system is interesting to drive with, you find the limit where the tyres are squealing, push a little harder, the computers/diffs shift power to work it out, the tyres stop squealing and you get around the corner faster.

There was a guy in Vic that had an X with a wheel speed sensor that would read bad intermittently (pretty sure it was wheel speed). The car would drive fine until you pushed into that computer aided level of grip at which point the computer freaked out if it got weird readings and the car would immediately be spit off the race track sideways/backwards without any warning.

The heavy electronics are great now. But as those cars all get old and parts become hard to get, they are going to be nightmares compared to much simpler systems.