Nurburgring Nordschleife Records

[Chris32]

Just was thinking to myself today about the records you here at the Nurburgring for production type cars

What relevance do they have in relation to the performance of a car other than it can sustain high speed and corner at high speed?

I have watched a few 'record' setting laps, and they have to overtake slower cars etc, but surely they are not at 10/10ths the whole way around

Being a 7min + track for the ultra fast road cars, a little mistake here and there isn't going to show up nearly as much if it was a smaller track

To me, Nurburgring records are more driver ability than car, as it would take some serious balls to drive that fast on such a long and demanding track, and being such a long track, it would not show errors up as much in the time than other tracks would

This is the question I pose - to you is a record setting lap at the 'ring more of a test of driver and machine than a record setting lap at Bathurst for instance?

Sure, you need a really quick car and a good driver to post a good lap time at either track

To me, the Nurburgring is aweomse, but the validity of some of the records are a little vague

Whats everyone else's thoughts on this?

Chris

Edited August 16, 2005 by Chris32

[Chris32]

Sorry if I make no sense either, just trying to write down what I am thinking!!

[Duncan]

Ahh well I reckon that it could be learned like any track, its just that it would take sooooo many laps to get it right. But the guys that drive there all the time would learn it as well as any other place.

So assuming your driver is up to scratch (and I'm sure the manufacturers dont hire duds) it comes down to a car's abilities.

But I reckon the real question is, how relevent is a nurburgring lap time to marketing most road cars?

[NISMO]

Personally I think it has more to do with the fact that the track is so varied.

Agree that a lot of the time will have to do with how good the driver is and how well the driver knows the track.

In my mind what make the Nur unique and a good test of machine is that not only do you get varied situations - long straights, short straights sweeping corners, tight corners on camber off camber etc, but you get a good range of each of the above, throw in the fact that the track condition varies from very smooth sections to sections with bumps that could throw you off the road and you get a track where a car must be an excellent all rounder to do well.

Hence why you see cars such as the Porche's and GTR's doing so well there.

Kind of like a targa event in my mind, only the best all round cars will do very well.

[ljstt]

Wasnt it the blitz supra that was the first production car to get into the 8's with a 7:50? 2 year later the record was broken by a Porsche i think? Anyway I would love to go one day...

[Beer Baron]

BNR32 GTR was the first production road car to lap under 8 minutes mate.

[fatz]

I own the Renault Clio diesel record around there even got it on vid

yea baby

Notice the corner miss and off road experience

Sorry I was a shit driver then and it was my first last 5th lap was a minute faster lol

Stupid ex girlfriend whining in my ear about crashing as well (what a cow... I actually sped up after that)

http://kero.drifthost.com/vidoes/[email protected]%20quality.MPG

[GTRgeoff]

Is this the one that goes on it's side?? I almost puked after a few minutes of that. Better have another look.

[Nexus9]

BNR32 GTR was the first production road car to lap under 8 minutes mate.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I beg to differ ... I believe it was actually the BNR33 GTR that had that honour

7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans

8:22.38 147.617 km/h – Nissan Skyline R32 GTR

hard as it is to believe that the whale was faster, apparantly on that particular track the more advanced Altessa was able to make a bit of difference to the overall time.

[Nexus9]

sorry to go off topic before as well

but I do believe the the times are valid, the manufacturers use only a handful of drivers all of whom have done thousands of hours on the track and know it as well as the back of their hand if not better.

An example is that Nissan use the one driver "Dirk Schoymans (sp)" (which is one of the drivers that both Porsche and Ferrari use), for all their testing of the GTR's.

The good thing about Nurburgring and the reason why car manufacturers and tyre manufacturers test on it is that it has so many varying conditions over the track length which make any short comings of the car really show themselves and not be hidden by some clever "this track only" setups.

In my opinion (not that that means much lol) it shows the true performance of the car in everyday road going situations and is a far better indicator than say a short track.

I also think I read somewhere that the true lap record runs are done on a closed track, not on the tourist drive around days.

[ljstt]

I found this list and yes its the r33 that did it in less then 8 min

Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:

7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 PS (2004), >>> http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/cmspdf.asp?id=217

7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Joerg Mueller (practice 24hrs race 2003)

7:12* -- 173.600 km/h – Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/2003) (*mfr.)

7:12.25 173.500 km/h – Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Mueller, 24 hrs practice 2002

all the ones above are race cars, these are the street-legal ones:

7:15.63 169.311 km/h – Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simon, sport auto 09/2005, >>> http://www.edo-competition.net/index.php?structid=4

7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004, http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=13957

7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003) (*mfr.), >>> http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_fold...liefe/index.php

7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated

7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 1997)

7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen

7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild July 2004)

7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/2004)

7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 2001) >>> http://www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html

7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom

7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Roehrl (2002)

7:39 --- 161.575 km/h – Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, >>> http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.as...page=&type=news

>>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThrea...fID=0&tID=44953

7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)

7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)

7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)

7:41 --- 160.868 km/h – Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004) >>> http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/cmspdf.asp?id=217

7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)

7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (2002)

7:42.9 --- 160.207 km/h – Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg(estimated), Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), >>> http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=3...mID=1384471&l=d

7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)

7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)

7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)

7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/2002)

7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)

7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at >>> www.pistonheads.tv

7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)

7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/200), >>> http://www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg

7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)

7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)

7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004) http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testberichte...artikel_seite=4

7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)

7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)

7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)

7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schuerg (1997)

7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)

7:50 --- 157.787 km/h – Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bren_Westi...vx504_1_350.avi

7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg, >>> http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/detail.pP...topic_id=731907

7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)

7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sport auto 12/2003)

7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/2004)

7:54 --- 156.456 km/h – Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bPS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=27415

7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/2003)

7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)

7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)

7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)

7:56* -- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)

7:56.73 155.569 km/h – Honda NXC-R (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not completed)

7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)

7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)

7:59* -- 154.822 km/h – Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)

7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)

8:01.72 153.984 km/h – Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")

8:02 --- 154.338 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)

8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/1999)

8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/2000)

8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/2002)

8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/2004)

8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=36440

8:05 --- 152.907 km/h – Ruf CTR, >>> http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/Videos/...urburgring1.wmv

8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/2002)

8:06.01 152.589 km/h – Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")

8:07 --- 152.279 km/h – Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/1998)

8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/2002)

8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/1999)

8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/1997)

8:10 --- 151.114 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/2005)

8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/1997)

8:10 --- 151.347 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/2001)

8:11 --- 151,274 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)

8:11* -- 151,274 km/h -- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/2005)

8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/2002)

8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/1997)

8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/1997)

8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/2004), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=13956

8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/1999)

8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/2004)

8:14 --- 150.120 km/h – Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=23337

8:14.98 149.824 km/h – Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")

8:15 --- 149.818 km/h – Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/2005), >>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThrea...fID=2&tID=44295

8:15 --- 149.818 km/h – Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/2005), >>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThrea...fID=0&tID=46738

8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated

8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2 (Walter Roehrl - WHEELS 06/2004)

8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp

8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 PS (sport auto 11/1997)

8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 PS/1557kg (sport auto 01/2005) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=18724

8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/2004) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=10114

8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")

8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 01/2003)

8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/2001)

8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 2, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 02/2001)

8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400PS/1651 kg (sport auto 08/2000)

8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (sport auto 09/2003)

8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 06/1997)

8:18 --- 149.916 km/h – Maserati GranSport, 400 PS/1672 kg (sport auto 09/2005), >>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThrea...fID=2&tID=50624

8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/2001)

8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997)

8:20 --- 148.320 km/h – Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/1999)

8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/2000)

8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/1998)

8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)

8:22.38 147.617 km/h – Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")

8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 PS/1833 kg (sport auto 07/2003)

8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/2002)

8:24 --- 147.143 km/h – Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360PS/1566kg (sport auto 04/2005), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=31462

8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (sport auto 05/2004)

8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/2000)

8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Corvette Callaway C12, 400 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 04/1999)

8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 11/1999)

8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (sport auto 11/2002)

8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 PS/1480 kg (sport auto 05/2001)

8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/2003)

8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/1999)

8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS

8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/1998)

8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/1997)

8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/2000)

8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/2003)

8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/2002)

8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg, >>> http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101519

8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)

8:32 --- 144.844 km/h – BMEW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto04/2003)

8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/2004)

8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/1997)

8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/2003)

8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/1999)

8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32, 250 PS

8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)

8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS

8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/2001)

8:34 --- 144.280 km/h – Opel Speedester Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/2004)

8:35 --- 144.000 km/h – BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)

8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/1997)

8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/2002)

8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS

8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS

8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/1999)

8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/2000)

8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/2003)

8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)

8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/2002)

8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/2001)

8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS

8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/2000)

8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/1991)

8:37 --- 143.443 km/h – VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/2003)

8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)

8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/1998)

8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/1997)

8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/2001)

8:38 --- 143.166 km/h – Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/2005), >>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThrea...fID=2&tID=40016

8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp

8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/2000)

8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Morgan Aero 8, 286 PS/1193 kg (sport auto 04/2003)

8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)

8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/1997)

8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7, 420 PS/1847 kg (sport auto 01/1999)

8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Audi S3, 210 PS/1489 kg (sport auto 06/1999)

8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 08/1998)

8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8 quattro w. ESP, 225 PS/1461 kg, (sport auto

[fatz]

yup that the one

[Big Rizza]

One quick note: Porsche times are always unfair because they have former Rally driver Walter Roehrl. No doubt the quickest human being alive around the 'ring in any car at any time. I don't doubt that he could do an 8:00 lap in a Daewoo Matiz. If I were a woman, I'd sure like to be his girlfriend...*

As for the original question of "What relevance do they have in relation to the performance of a car other than it can sustain high speed and corner at high speed?" - I think it does have reasonable relevance because the Nurburgring is more like a road than most race tracks - it's bumpy with trick off camber corners etc. so if a car is quick on the Nurburgring it will be quick anywhere.

Having said that, I have never taken a cars lap time into consideration when purchasing a vehicle...

Oh, and the rumour is that the R33 GTR was "tweaked" slightly for it's record breaking run. A little boost here, some semi slicks there...

* (reference from the movie Basketball, may or may not represent my true opinion)

Edited September 4, 2005 by Big Rizza

[sh@un]

Seems the whole motoring world is obsessed with the 'ring, but I don't get it. The scenery is boring, track is bumpy and covered with graph. Anyone'd be forgiven for thinking it ran through some blackforest ghetto. GT4 cured me of any desire to go there for real.

[lukits01]

Seems the whole motoring world is obsessed with the 'ring, but I don't get it. The scenery is boring, track is bumpy and covered with graph. Anyone'd be forgiven for thinking it ran through some blackforest ghetto. GT4 cured me of any desire to go there for real.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Isn't that the point then? its not a smooth GP track, its more like a mountain road, so its the perfect place to test road cars to their limits, if you can make a car fast there you can drive fast on any road. Suspension setup must be spot on to get a good time. A circuit setup would be scarily nervous and probably unbearable to drive, not something you would want when you have to last some 8 minutes of full concentrated driving.

[sh@un]

And yet suspension set up to work well at the 'Ring doesn't really cut it on normal roads either. What you want is a) smooth roads B) a loooooong hill climb c) awesome scenery and d) not much daytime traffic. What you need is Macquarie Pass, which scores on a,b,c and sometimes d. Good fun for a road car. My fave NSW togue run so far.

[Duncan]

How many better tracks have you driven R32R?

[fatz]

it is the best its 20k of similar to bathurst stuff

anyone who says its boring on playstaion so they dont want to drive it should have their license removed from there arse

Edited January 10, 2006 by fatz

[Duncan]

Pfft wtf would you know poof have you ever driven it?

In a hire car?

/cue maniacal laughter and sideways camera

[PORTS]

I thought a 300zx did it in under 8 minutes, Steve Millen the pilot in the 24 hour?