New Car Generation Dont Understand The Idea..

[Kaido_RR]

Hey,

Im just interested to find peoples opinion of this matter. As much as most people dont like it the new car generation which has grown up on Fast and the furiose, neon lights and awhole bunch of another stuff which most people tend to call rich; are starting to buy cars or just general into imports more due to movies and other stuff.

I find that most of them dont understand the idea of "supporting mods" or have the idea that when modding a car its like "how much for 2bar of boost.

My Supporting Mods idea, is basicly you cant have Set amount of hp, with an ecu, fuel pump, injectors, afm etc etc.... then think that its basicly buy a big turbo, add some boost (most dont know wat an EBC is and just hink there is a magic way to increase boost)

or they think its as easy as asking how much for 400rwhp, how can i make my Set Car run 12's.

Am i right or wrong? I know im generalizing abit which isnt the best, but out of alot of people i talk to that are in the "new generation age gap" it seems to be the trend.

Im not a old dude thats been around for ages or had my skylines for years but i learn (and are still learning) that hp isnt an easy thing it takes lot of planing and there are alot of thinks that you dont think you need but you do

well, im just talking to much now;

what are peoples opinion on this matter

Cheers Michael

p.s this is not a piss-take at anyone so plz dont take this the wrong way

[Eug]

werd...

i have heard heaps of people at uni saying how they want 300rwkw in their CA18, or want to run (insert boost) psi, etc etc...

like its some easy task...

hell i even heard a dude saying he was going to buy the White's R34 GTR!!! then find him searching for barina's and corolla's 10 minutes later..

they think its some achievement to push 300rwkw (which it is) but have no absolute idea whats involved and that Nitrous will solve all their problems.

[Silver-Arrowz]

All in all, they're young or new to the car scene and it's part of learning. They'll learn that it's not all black and white as it seems but it's up to the knowledgeable people to explain.

Maybe I've been around as you have because I think the same thing too. A lot of young people I talk to (esp 17yo's hanging to get their P plates) tell me they're chasing X-hp and they're going to do intercooler, FMIC, boost controller and bbearing turbo to achieve that. Soon they realise it's an expensive exercise becuase ECU is needed, injectors, dyno time, problems getting power to the ground, etc...

A mate told me that he wanted a MAP sensor on his SR20 with a GT25 BB turbo. Ask him why and he can't give you an answer.

Honestly there is no magical formula to get 400hp or run 12 seconds down the 1/4. I continually have to explain that a dyno is just a tuning device and 400hp on one dyno is not 400hp on another. And to run 12 seconds the driver better be up to scratch too.

[Mulkers]

This is partially true, but with advancements in power and technology (see 'are 12's the new 13's', and the RB20 250+ club threasa), it is more and more feasible.

Because people can just copy what these people have done, with out the trial and error, and with out money spent on development.

What I see as the problem, is people who upgrade the engine, but leave little attention to suspension, reliability, tyres, brakes etc. - the supporting mods

But I do agree, TFNF and other associated publicity has got some people into the import scene who should not necesarily be there

Edited August 18, 2005 by Mulkers

[Munna]

I know what you mean mate thats why forums such as these can be such a good starting point for people thinking about modifing there car. The main thing I find with people who have little knowledge is boost they think because joe blows car runs more boost that billy bobs that it will be quicker. Also they think they can just bolt a bigger turbo on and make 250 -300rwkw and dont relize injectors, fuels pumps, ECU, ect ect need to be upgraded as well.

I knew very little before I came to SAU and im still far from an expert but though by through these forums and researching every mod before actally doing it I have ended up with a car that performs as I wanted it to without spending a fortune on parts that I dont need, or parts that are not really appicable for the stage the car is at.

Edited August 18, 2005 by Munna

[Driver]

i love hearing this..

I have a '96 ford falcon im going to buy a turbo off ebay and drift.

[Munna]

i love hearing this..

I have a '96 ford falcon im going to buy a turbo off ebay and drift.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Or when the V8 boys say ill just spend 2 grand on a supercharger and blow you away.

[Kaido_RR]

i love hearing this..

I have a '96 ford falcon im going to buy a turbo off ebay and drift.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ahaha, how true is that. I dont think they know drift isnt a doing a burnout mid/exit of a concer. i may not be able to drift, thou i know it isnt easy and isnt just i put a turbo = i cna drift rofl

[Dee 33]

Some guy asked me how much boost I run. I said 16psi. He said "that's not much ey, wrx's run 14 stock". I couldn't be f**ed explaining that my turbo was probably close to twice the size.

Also another mate buying an n/a Supra and saying he's going to single turbo it later on with a T88 not realising that such a turbo will require a crapload of work on the engine to support it.

But I agree that it's all about learning. I've said plenty of stupid crap in the past about cars but you live and you learn. The best way of learning for me was using forums, then actually buying a car and having the mods done while I owned rather than buying a modded one.

I can now tell you exactly what needs to be done to get 250rwkw (or so) in an R33 Gts-t whereas beforehand I had no clue.

My advice is to share your knowledge with the less knowledgeable. Someone somewhere along the line probably told you what you know, so pass the info on when you can

[FATGTS-R]

LOL. There is not much anybody can do. Just remember, the next time you answer somebodys question in a thread, think to yourself, did I post the same question once upon a time?

I know I have answered and helped people on these forums from info I received from it in the past and yet there is still a lot I have to learn.

Having 17 year olds, and some 25 year olds for that matter asking "How much boost has it got" isnt going to stop shortly.

Another problem is a lot of the workshops cashing in on the craze and taking a lot of these guys money. I was at a particular workshop recently picking up a mates car and overheard the mechanic talking to a P plate 180sx owner.

The mechanic lifted a bonnet of a GTR ( highly modified) to point out a nice blue Gates timing belt showing the kid "see, this makes xxxkw" and then said leave the cover off because it looks heaps better. The guy had a grin from ear to ear and asked "whats the purple HKS wheels for" which the mech replied " they give you more power mate, I can do them too for xx$$$" The kid didnt want to know the price he just asked if it would run 13s now. He booked it in but god knows how much the poor buggers gonna pay for it. But he hasnt learnt a thing. He doesnt even know what the cam gears do or how they work and the mechanic wasnt interested in telling him. He just saw dollar signs when the kids eyes lit up at the GTR engine bay.

[NA_R33]

MMmmm ive just given up talking to the young and nieve, but there is a line that must be drawn between the people you speek of and those that are genuinely sp* interested in learning.

For those i will give all my effort to share the knowledge that i have gathered whilst getting different perspectives on that which i already know. Ive been playing with engines and what not since about 9 years of age, and am fairly well respected amoungst my peers for having the knowledge i do for 19yo.

Though i do have a thirst for knowledge and am always keen to learn about that which i love its getting harder and harder to find people that speek from actual experience and those that speek from hear-say. And on that note how many of the 1000's of new workshops that hazve opened up in the past 3-5years would you actually trust to build you an engine? or let alone service your car...

[racsov500]

WERD

www.boostcruising.com

[shif_tea]

Yeah i'm with you....although i'm only 24. I think i've said my fair share of dumb shit on my way to learning what i know. Thats why i come here though to fill up the knowledge banks...well as much as i can, doubt i'll ever be another SK or someone like that.

Still i think its good that people here are quite willing to help with most of your problems and questions.

But i nearly punched a guy the other day who told me he used to have an r33 gtst as well which was dynoed at over 320rwkw (he couldn't remember exactly) without even touching the stock computer.

Dumbass

Edited August 18, 2005 by shif_tea

[NickR33]

he he... like the guy that sold me my car who said 'if you leave the stock ecu in and just reset it, you will be quicker than modified skylines...'

er... WTF... and we had rocked up in my mates modified r33 so its not like we had no previous experience...

just for the record my mates r33 tore me a new one when we went to Calder a few weeks after I bought the car...

...and I reset the ecu and everything!?

[urago]

Your just old.....

[4door_Sleeper]

The funny thing is that if some of the older guys read this they will wet themselves at the comments.

Whilst I agree there are many people who make tall claims and boast about boost, the modification scene today requires really requires very little prior experience, just some cash.

The reason why there are so many modified cars today (both imports and local) is because everyone (well most people anyway) just spend the cash and follow a simple proven formulae (exhaust, intercooler, ecu, turbo – sound familiar).

The reason there weren’t so many modified cars 30 years ago was because you couldn’t just go to a shop and purchase parts in the same way. A lot of the customizing was done in back sheds by guys who made their own parts or fabricated modifications from different vehicles (we don’t see a lot of this today)

So before you cast too many aspersions on “

the new car generation who have grown up on Fast and the furious and neon lights, and who don’t understand the idea of "supporting mods" or have the idea that when modding a car its like "how much for 2bar of boost.”

Just remember that we too are a new car generation who don’t know how to modify a car, and who only bolt on aftermarket accessories. (no difference between adding a radio or a turbo is there? These older guys used to make their own headers, modify the turbo themselves, roll some new flared guards and then chop 4inches out of the roof))

[dangerous_daveo]

I think the problem with a lot of people isnt so much the supporting mods bit, but the 'other' supporting mods bit. Such as big engine you need big brakes, suspension, diffs, gearboxes etc. They all seem to be after thoughts. Im going the other way, atm, all I need to do is the rear brakes and Im ready for whatever I want to throw at the car, everything else is up to the task. But other than money the reason Im not is I still need to learn how to drive the car properly, when I am 100% confident with how it is now, I'll start with a few small bolt ons etc, and slowly build my way up. If I then find something isnt copeing, that will get up graded before I go further.

[Sarumatix]

Live and learn, we all start somewhere . There will always be people who are genuinely interested in cars just like there will always be people who like cars but don't care that much. Some might have a very different background and have more catching up to do (heck i'm trained in biology and maths, cars are a whole new world ). At the end of the day you can choose to help people or not, sometimes all that someone has to go on, is his mates gemi and they simply don't know anything else that's fast. Supporting mods are the real challenges to building nice cars I think (and knowing which are the best choices) and that is the sort of information I come here for. Thus I find myself asking some stupid questions but at least each time I do I learn, and I make a point of helping people who ask similar questions (instead of posting search :|).