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I need new rear rotors/pads for my R33 GTST '98. My cars stock, I daily it. I never track it... the rare/occasional spirited drive through the hills.

Will these suffice?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nissan-Skyline-R33-GTS-GTST-1993-1998-REAR-Disc-brake-Rotors-RDA908-PAIR-/121307919528?hash=item1c3e83f4a8:m:m9aoyr6VpdOTfGh2HxrDXEA

And I need some advice on which pads?

Preferably Bendix but I'm not sure which ones are most suitable for my needs?

Edited by RB25PWR

Preferably Bendix but I'm not sure which ones are most suitable for my needs?

No, just no...

Bendix made horrible pads.

For daily duties I would say Intima SR or EBC Red or others recommended in this thread.

No Bendix...yuck, just shit pads.

My turn.

S13 Track car with R33 front and rear calipers and rotors, braided lines, brake ducts up front, and BM50 MBC.

I've got some near new TRW Lucas pads in the front (having come from A1RM back in the day that ate the slots out of my rotors...)but can't say much about them yet as the last outing I had I was convinced the pedal was spongey due to a leaky caliper. I've since removed that and gone 33 rear calipers so that should not be an issue any more.

The current issue is I can't seem to get the TRW Lucas rear pad for R33 calipers. I bought some on eBay, the member who I bought them from on here can chime in if he wants to, but received an inferior pad due to supply issues (not his fault).

So I either need to source some TRW lucas rear r33 pads somewhere else, or move to all new pads.

Was looking at Initma SR and the new QFM Z88 (which I can get for $200 for a full set).

Car is just doing 5 lap sprints of a small DECA facility (170km/h top speed and only 55-60sec laps) and will get back down to Winton soon for a test and tune/sprint day.

Thoughts?

G'day SAU.

I've read through this thread but still can't make up my mind on what pad/fluid suits my application.

Doing braided lines, new rotors and pads/fluid all round, and the time has come for pad and fluid selection.

I'm currently running Bendix ultimate pads which, as other users have mentioned are dusty as hell. I'd like to upgrade to something from the QFM range.

I've pushed the Ultimate's almost to their limit once and don't plan on driving to that extent again if I can avoid it, so that gives you a bit of information regarding my braking requirements.

I've narrowed down to the A1RM or the more tame HPX series. I like the extra stopping power of the A1RM but don't like the rotor chewing trait, although I plan on doing a track day, It'd only be a 2-3 times a year.

My aim with pads is simple,

Must have excellent cold breaking performance (My GTT is my daily) The Ultimates had good cold brake feel,

Must be better performing than the Bendix Ultimates

Nice to have: Lower dust.

Now onto fluids, I'm using Valvoline Dot 3 fluid as it is recommended, and doesn't eat away at my seals, would dot 3 still be worth it with the A1RM or HPX?

Am I going to chew seals upgrading to a Dot 4 fluid?

Any help/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Hi Jake,

Anything Bendix is junk... sorry but I've used enough of their junk across any cars and hate it.

Just buy Nulon Super Dot 4 - that's fine, I use this in my track car, no need for fancy stuff for a street car.. at $9 a bottle or so, can't go wrong.

Get EBC Red OR Intima SR or Project Mu NS400, if you did more track days I would have recommended Project Mu HC800 - however they squeal and make heaps of dust so no lol

Anyone used Forza brake pads? Theirs not a lot of talk about them on the internet. I got f+r set of Forza fp3 brake pads, from brakes direct they recommended them over RESMA's and QFM A1RM pads so I'm giving them ago. Cant complain so far, no noise and very little dust and they stop good which is a bonus lol

This is what's on brakes direct website about them.

"Forza Performance - FP3

Special Brake Pad Compound For The Dual Purpose Sports And Circuit Racing Vehicle.

FP3 - Forza FP3 Brake Pads are a specially formulated ceramic pad to still minimize brake dust and noise emissions while providing the fantastic brake control. The FP3 is the ideal choice for those who want to maintain great rotor and pad wear without compromising performance. The perfect pad for a performance daily driver or weekender that does regular track work! Upgrade for Endless MXRS/MX72, Project Mu HC+, Ferodo DS2500, PFC 97, Hawk HP+, Bendix SRT, Winmax W4 and Pagid RS4-2."

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Alrighty... I recall someone asking me to review Intima Type-D pads, so having the chance to punish the car just this Monday I can safely say these pads hold up very well and are very progressive when compared to the likes of my old Project MU HC800.

However, just a small caveat, I've moved from stock R33 calipers with Project MU HC800 to 350Z Brembo with Intima Type-D, however the rears are still running Project Mu HC800 with 4mm of pad left (which were destroyed by the end of the day)

First of all, the Intima pads are rating a little higher than the Project MU HC800 (0 to 700 degrees) vs. Type-D (250 to 850). They might be rated at 250 starting point, however with street use they seem to pull up fine. Felt very normal, similar to running normal street pads such as Intima SR or Project Mu NS400, etc.

Track: Wakefield Park

Ambient Temp: 12~15 degrees

Track Conditions: Dry/Clean

Tyres: 255/40/17 Nitto NT01

Boat: R33 GTS-t, no aero, ~340kW on the day (boost turned down from 1.7bar to 1.4bar)

I'll keep it in dot points, being male it's easier to read:

  • Pads don't need much heat to get them to boogie compared to the HC800+
  • After turn 2, the pads are ready to be used
  • Pads are much more progressive, not on/off like the HC800+
  • They can be pre-loaded and stomped on and they pull up very well
  • Fade is quite progressive too, will start to fade approximately 6 laps, note: running Project Mu HC800 Rears with 4mm of pad left also I'm hitting over 200km/h down the main straight.
  • After fade, 1/2 a cool down lap is only required before brakes are back to 60~80% capacity

In conclusion, without any real technical data I highly rate them over Project Mu HC800 however Project Mu offer a Club Racer pad which would be a proper comparison to the Initma Type-D.

How did you find pad wear?

I recently used intima sr pads at south circuit in the Evo and they chewed through 80% of the pad in one day.

My mate in his Evo running the same pads used 99% of the pad. He was actually quite lucky to not have metal on metal.

Intima SR pads do like to "run-out" quickly compared to the likes of Project Mu HC800 / HC+ however I can safely say the Intima Type-D don't wear out as much as the Intima SR.

I still have the beveled edges on the pad, however I'll snap up some photos this weekend to show the wear after canning the car for about 50 laps around Wakefield.

They're good man, happy for you to come down and drive my car around after I put new rear pads in.

Don't squeal like Project Mu HC800 or HC+, however I suspect it's due to the copper grease they supply you with and also they're not that bad cold to be honest.. They still stop when cold, but "wake" up after a few stops but they're not dead useless cold.

*cough* I sell them lol

In conclusion, without any real technical data I highly rate them over Project Mu HC800 however Project Mu offer a Club Racer pad which would be a proper comparison to the Initma Type-D.

have used and rate the club racers highly.

Mind you, were in a stock evo x.

Have done multiple days on them.

35° ambient temp at sandown, no fade.

Multiple smsp south days, no fade.(did change caliper colour though ;) )

North circuit, no fade.

Best of all, nice and bitey when cold as well.

Temp didn't seem to change this at all, so you get used to it.(I liked it)

Still look near new with the amount of material left.

With a smear of copper/synthetic grease between the pad and pistons, no squeal.

The only downside I see from them, is the cost.

Anywhere from $350 and up depending on caliper.

But, as a dedicated track pad, I don't think this is out of the norm.

Hope this helps any prospective buyers.

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Anyone used Forza brake pads? Theirs not a lot of talk about them on the internet. I got f+r set of Forza fp3 brake pads, from brakes direct they recommended them over RESMA's and QFM A1RM pads so I'm giving them ago. Cant complain so far, no noise and very little dust and they stop good which is a bonus lol

This is what's on brakes direct website about them.

"Forza Performance - FP3

Special Brake Pad Compound For The Dual Purpose Sports And Circuit Racing Vehicle.

FP3 - Forza FP3 Brake Pads are a specially formulated ceramic pad to still minimize brake dust and noise emissions while providing the fantastic brake control. The FP3 is the ideal choice for those who want to maintain great rotor and pad wear without compromising performance. The perfect pad for a performance daily driver or weekender that does regular track work! Upgrade for Endless MXRS/MX72, Project Mu HC+, Ferodo DS2500, PFC 97, Hawk HP+, Bendix SRT, Winmax W4 and Pagid RS4-2."

Any updates on these mate?

What pads did you have previously?

Yeah no problems so far, I'm pretty happy with them. I've only used them on the road so can't report on track use. But very happy with the way they behave on the road, they will pull you up real quick if needed. Previous pads were ebc yellow stuff which were decent just very dusty. The FP3's feel better the initial bite feels better cold or hot.

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