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Neither was Sougi's customer base, so don't stress yourself buddy...this is simply discussion between Sougi fans :)

I guess my point was there are plenty of oils for similar prices that will cause your engines zero harm.

Off the topic of Sougi has anyone tried using Mainlube products? A lot of racing teams swear by it and some very high end industrial players also use it in their industrial machinery (bhp and several mining companies) Doesn't sound cheap around $300 to change your engine, diff and gbox oil but if you get their filtergram tests done regularly they say it should last up to 20,000kms in a daily driver

I guess my point was there are plenty of oils for similar prices that will cause your engines zero harm.

a 300v equivalent for $60

there is nothing else that performs this well for that sort of price

http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Full_Synt...ing_Engine_Oil/

What's the go on this stuff? I remember reading back in this thread somewhere about Nulon fully synth oils not actually being 100%....but this one SAYS 100%. "Fully Synthetic" only needs to be 75% synth or something.

I'll probs be giving it a shot when I receive my magnetic sump plug from Phil's group buy...

a 300v equivalent for $60

there is nothing else that performs this well for that sort of price

that is like saying you need a 100hp motor to drive you to work so you get a 1000hp motor which they stop producing, then complain that the closest motor for the same price is only 900hp, end of the day both are massive overkill and the difference will be completely 100% undetectable for your uses.

http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Full_Synt...ing_Engine_Oil/

What's the go on this stuff? I remember reading back in this thread somewhere about Nulon fully synth oils not actually being 100%....but this one SAYS 100%. "Fully Synthetic" only needs to be 75% synth or something.

I'll probs be giving it a shot when I receive my magnetic sump plug from Phil's group buy...

Regularly covered in this thread mate. In the 90's (I think) some company (Castrol?) won a case in court that the processing of the oil required to get to grade 3 is enough to be called fully synthetic. PAO bases oil is grade 4, and the first truly synthetic grade. Grade 5 is synthetic double-ester.

massive overkill and the difference will be completely 100% undetectable for your uses.

Agreed that it's overkill and possibly unnecessary, but there's certainly no harm in using the best product available.

It also lasts a lot longer before breaking down...

It was the only grade 5 I could find that clearly stated "suitable for Ethanol and Methanol" and it felt velvety smooth in the engine just like 300v.

And at a grade 3 price? I wasnt complaining but I am now... :P

Any news on the replacement Birds, if you don't hassle them I will...

Regularly covered in this thread mate. In the 90's (I think) some company (Castrol?) won a case in court that the processing of the oil required to get to grade 3 is enough to be called fully synthetic. PAO bases oil is grade 4, and the first truly synthetic grade. Grade 5 is synthetic double-ester.

I know it was covered, but I don't think it applies entirely to what I'm reading there.

The current legislation as I'm led to believe is something along the lines of 75% minimum can be marketed at fully.

Since I read Nulon was doing this at some stage, I wanted to confirm that if they're now labeling this oil as 100% synthetic, is it actually 100%? Surely 100% and "fully" aren't the same thing, so if you're going to claim 100% is has to be 100%...right?

It's always had 100% synthetic written on it, at least it did a year ago when I last bought it. The article I read on the terminology is in this thread somewhere, lol but I'd have a quick go at google first.

Unless it has been changed without being heavily publicised or mentioned here somewhere, anyone know anything on this? Birds???

Since I read Nulon was doing this at some stage, I wanted to confirm that if they're now labeling this oil as 100% synthetic, is it actually 100%? Surely 100% and "fully" aren't the same thing, so if you're going to claim 100% is has to be 100%...right?

All about marketing: http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/is_your_s...y_synthetic.htm

I'll just quote the relevant paragraph. Pretty much describes the North American market and how they are allowed to market a blended Group III oil as synthetic

Last year, Castrol (Swingdon, U.K.) and Mobil (Fairfax, VA) brought the debate over what is “synthetic” into view, as Mobil challenged Castrol’s replacement of polyalphaolephins (PAOs) with hydroisomerized waxes in their synthetic formulations. Exactly one year after the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus’ ruling in April 1999, upholding Castrol’s position that wax isomerates could be called synthetic, Petro-Canada (Toronto) advertised it would be referring to its very high viscosity index (VHVI) basestocks as a synthetic in the North American market. These products fall into the same API group (Group III) as wax isomerates, but could vary significantly in quality from wax isomerates. This market roar by Petro-Canada has carried a quiet undertone of moves from PAO to VHVI technology by several engine oil marketers.

Nah don't know anything on it Galois...I'm not heavily at the forefront of the oil industry I'm just a distributor hehe.

It was the only grade 5 I could find that clearly stated "suitable for Ethanol and Methanol" and it felt velvety smooth in the engine just like 300v.

And at a grade 3 price? I wasnt complaining but I am now... :)

Any news on the replacement Birds, if you don't hassle them I will...

Here we go, this is good reason to have Sougi...it may well have had it's own little niche amongst eth-heads. But I'm tipping more eth compatible oils will be developed as ethanol becomes more popular. In the mean time, do we know if M5000 is compatible with eth too?

By all means hassle them mate, I suspect Syn-X is actually it's replacement. I don't expect an exact replacement for Sougi, it defeats the point of scrapping the oil in the first place...they'll just have a product like Syn-X that can be marketed more widely and for cheaper.

All about marketing: http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/is_your_s...y_synthetic.htm

I'll just quote the relevant paragraph. Pretty much describes the North American market and how they are allowed to market a blended Group III oil as synthetic

Last year, Castrol (Swingdon, U.K.) and Mobil (Fairfax, VA) brought the debate over what is “synthetic” into view, as Mobil challenged Castrol’s replacement of polyalphaolephins (PAOs) with hydroisomerized waxes in their synthetic formulations. Exactly one year after the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus’ ruling in April 1999, upholding Castrol’s position that wax isomerates could be called synthetic, Petro-Canada (Toronto) advertised it would be referring to its very high viscosity index (VHVI) basestocks as a synthetic in the North American market. These products fall into the same API group (Group III) as wax isomerates, but could vary significantly in quality from wax isomerates. This market roar by Petro-Canada has carried a quiet undertone of moves from PAO to VHVI technology by several engine oil marketers.

Moodles to the rescue

ah fair enough....that being said, it's surely couldn't be a bad choice for $65 (before trade discount booya)?

Birds, am I right to assume the S in the naming scheme meant Synthetic, therefore the M will mean Mineral?

$65 for a grade III/IV mix is pretty expensive, given that there are similar oils for a lot less, including m5000 for ~$30 per 5L bottle (actually the m5000 is a group III/V mix so it's actually higher quality oil. It also has heaps of detergents and good stuffs mixed in just like s6000).

For all those members that like to use Motul 8100 X-cess 5W40: Repco catalogue has this oil at $59.99 for 5 litres. Apparently store stock only or 14th November, which ever ends first.

Edited by johnd320
I was in local Repco today getting 2 stroke mix oil for my lawnmower and X-Cess was still $69 or $79 (one or the other)

Before I posted the Motul deal I checked Repco's online catalogue. The quoted $59.99 for 5 litres of Motul 8100 X-cess 5W40 is in their current catalogue. Google is your friend.

What's the Syn-X like? You're still a lot closer to the industry than most of us!! haha

Haven't tried it in my own vehicle so can't comment from experience...might give it a go next change if you want me to test it out. Alot of my customers (workshops) love Syn-X because it does almost everything 90's onwards and costs about the same as a mineral oil.

Yes trozzle I do believe the M is for mineral and S for synthetic. And Sougi is apparently some Japanese lingo meaning "super" or "fantastic" lol.

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