Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

Now I know I shouldn't take everything I read on NS.com as gospel :D

.....but I lifted this comment from a recent thread post

"I spoke with a guy at the Mawson Lakes servo, he said the letter the government sent them stated that the government has now classed E85 as a race fuel and dont want young people running their cars on it and getting more power from it, so they banned it from retail sales across Australia.

He told me if I go to the servo, he will happily show me the letter he was sent."

What does this all mean :huh: ........I know go back to my opening comment. :D

Anyone shed any light on this.....

PS I think Mawson Lakes is in SA......but I was never good at Geography.

Edited by juggernaut1

what a load of bullshit. its because the pump's don't meet the standards and only the United service stations have invested the 40 grand per servo for the upgrades.

why would you listen to that bullshit?

ok, i spoke to fuel standards aust today, and the dept of sustainable resources or some shit....

the dealio is...

e85 is legal to sell still, but there is only 1 model of bowser that is legal to use. these are the ones that united have.

it went on sale temporarily in other types of bowsers, but they have now been shut down as the companies producing them will not give assurance on the lines being capable of holding e85

united have 1 servo in melb, 1 in syd, and they are not giving up any info on whether they will be adding more

quoting myself here.....

what a load of bullshit. its because the pump's don't meet the standards and only the United service stations have invested the 40 grand per servo for the upgrades.

why would you listen to that bullshit?

The above quote is from me on Nissansilvia.

I had been running E85 for about 4 months until they stopped stocking it. This is what I was told by one of the guys that work at this servo. I asked about the pump issue and I had heard of the problem being OHS related, he said this was not thet case.

Cheers

Anyway, All Im 100% sure is that I am now missing some power without it.

NOT HAPPY

united on victoria rd in rozelle still have it at the pump

and united hoppers crossing vic....

they have spent the money on the approved pumps, so they will NOT be stopping :(

as a side note guys. the dept of bio fuels have contacted me and want information on what we are doing so they can lobby government :D

i'm gonna quote myself again, but from my e85 thread, as some of you might not be reading it :D

i was on the phone to chris from centreline suspension yesterday and he was telling me how he killed his rotor on the dyno with e85

the car is an 800kg stripped out rx3 (by memory) making a naturally aspirated 330rwkw and is a full drag setup, im talking fuel cell, surge tank etc...

the problem occured when the e85 corroded the rubber fittings in the fuel system and the car leaned out @ 11ty billion revs

we talked about it for a while and worked out that the types of hoses he was using were NOT silicon based.... it seems not to be a problem in skyline fuel systems, but when you go aftermarket, just make sure you run silicon methanol rated equipment i spose....

discuss...

As far as hose choices go Teflon should be the best (although some further investigation into long term-use and thorough testing should be done before i make any statements), and reduces fuel vapour seekage, to me it sounds like a viable choice as it gives you the flexibility of a variety of fuels and eliminating one of the worst factors when it comes to aftermarket hoses.

Can you please clarify if it was the fittings or the hoses?

I think I remember reading somewhere (was a while ago) that there were different requirements for storing E85 in quantity , meaning the underground servo tanks/reservoirs .

It may have had something to do with preventing water or water vapour contaminating the high ethanol content fuel .

So its quite possible that the cost of setting up for E85 goes beyond the pump and hose .

A .

I think I remember reading somewhere (was a while ago) that there were different requirements for storing E85 in quantity , meaning the underground servo tanks/reservoirs .

It may have had something to do with preventing water or water vapour contaminating the high ethanol content fuel .

So its quite possible that the cost of setting up for E85 goes beyond the pump and hose .

A .

Yes.. it costs united 40 grand to setup the tank / pump / servo for E85. no wonder they are in no hurry to upgrade more servo's

Just kinda to recap a bit...

the only downsides so far are...

- availability

- a few more fuel filter changes?

- cleaning the valves a bit more regularly? say every 50,000km or so? i guess i'm using the term "regularly" relatively...

that's it?

i recently was talking to a guy who runs E85 on a rotor, stupid power, stupid boost, insane levels or everything :D He was saying that you can't lean on the timing as much as everyone thinks, and it's not as safe as everyone thinks.

I mentioned there were people who have gained ~50rwkw from just changing to E85, and he said yes but dangerous as most likely done all with timing. I got the impression though that this guy knew some things, but perhaps not everything, even though the impression was he knew pretty much all there is to know about E85, etc. I was dubious given the results some people have had here on SAU with E85...

Now, the percentage of knowledge i have compared to you guys is about 1%, but i thought one of the many benefits of this fuel is to realise more power by advancing the timing, but in safe manner?

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • One thing I can tell you is, do it properly the first time. If you encounter unexpected problems just let the car sit for a week or two if you have to get some other parts or figure stuff out.  I'd have said go and use as many OEM parts as possible but since you want to change the turbo later on a custom kit is probably the better choice. Since I have no experience with RB25 just compare parts diagrams and images before buying a line kit and it should be easy to see if it has everything you need. Amayama has very good parts diagrams and part number lists, that is what I used a bunch to figure out what I might need. And don't forget to plan ahead and possibly renew other stuff that's easy to get to while you're in there doing the turbo lines. Happy wrenching
    • Update 4:   Hi all, good news. Engine is running and all the gaskets and seals seem to be working as intended. No leaks so far, even the JB Weld seems to hold. I flushed out the old coolant a few times and put in fresh coolant, not Nissan stuff, I decided to try the Ravenol Protect FL22, they claim it works for a wide variety of JDM cars and the opinions on it by some people were pretty good. And it has the nice poison green color! And man am I glad I bought a coolant system tester earlier this year, vacuum filling works wonders on this engine. I can definitely recommend this to anyone still doing it the old school way. All you need is compressed air supply. Will have to do a small test drive as soon as I can, I removed the gauge cluster again as the tacho needle was still bouncing around a bit but it was much better than before already.  I also found some cracks on all 4 tires inner and outer sidewalls. Apparently these tires should 't be parked on for extended periods or be kept under 0 degrees during storage, which I did not know. Clearly the previous owner didn't look into those details either, he probably bought them just cause they are cool semi-slicks. I'm just wondering how tf I am supposed to reach 30-80 degree tire temperatures on the public road consistenly, these tires were never going to work for my use case. I'll probably order Continental SportContact7 ones as these are the best allround summer tire available right now and I don't think I'll need anything crazier for now. Do let me know if you have experience with various tires and which ones you recommend.
    • You have no idea how many goddamn boxes I received these past three months haha Most have been put to use by now though, luckily
    • Not going to pretend I didn't do a bit of junky work this time around, but mostly due to the fact that some things I am not willing to spend days fixing right now, like wiring. I try to do most things properly the first time around.
    • Regardless of neglect or incompetence, fixing either is tedious and annoying. Most of the neglect on my car is definitely rust. I hope I can at least pass inspections later on and they won't fail the car due to slightly corroded hardlines. I was generous with rust converter and wax and it looks ok, most lines in the rear are hard to see properly anyways.  Definitely will test them though to make sure they don't rupture under pressure, in that case the car isn't going anywhere this year.
×
×
  • Create New...