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i see andra may be taking this approach to approving it before it gets too grubby for them. I see this press release as the 1st step.

http://www.andra.com.au/article.asp?Id=2101

Well at least that is clearer to people that it is not allowed ... well sort of.

Guess they are at least paying attention now.

One plus side of the petition is it gets it in the public eye.

lol, reading that press release once statement stuck out at me.

" While the presence of bowsers dispensing E85 has been advised in some states, consistent availability to the public has not been confirmed. Suppliers who may comply with this requirement should contact ANDRA."

what a crock. consistent availability to the public has not been confirmed my hairy arse. United servo just near the anzac bridge (victoria rd rozelle) has been selling it 'consistently' for over a year now. any member of the public can walk in there and buy some if they so chose, just like they can at the other sevos that sell it. And if this was as they say "no confirmed" then why didn't they just call up and ask??? I'm sure united would be able to confirm that they retail E85 through a number of their aus-wide servos to any member of the public that wants to buy it. they couldn't lie straight in bed....

lol, reading that press release once statement stuck out at me.

" While the presence of bowsers dispensing E85 has been advised in some states, consistent availability to the public has not been confirmed. Suppliers who may comply with this requirement should contact ANDRA."

what a crock. consistent availability to the public has not been confirmed my hairy arse. United servo just near the anzac bridge (victoria rd rozelle) has been selling it 'consistently' for over a year now. any member of the public can walk in there and buy some if they so chose, just like they can at the other sevos that sell it. And if this was as they say "no confirmed" then why didn't they just call up and ask??? I'm sure united would be able to confirm that they retail E85 through a number of their aus-wide servos to any member of the public that wants to buy it. they couldn't lie straight in bed....

Mate it sticks out like dobermann's nuts that the goons running the sport are trapped well and truely in the dark ages. If i can get an 8 out of the current combo it may well be the last time i take my car to a straight track. Ive well and truely had enough. Circuit guys are much more advanced in thinking and intelligence...time to book myself in for that brain transplant and come have some fun using the middle pedal me thinks.

yeah it's pretty bad and doesn't bode well for the future of the sport that's for sure.

there certainly has been a battle in circuit racing too as a lot of the odle worlde crowd at the top of the heap had a big interest in keeping things nice for old cars. and simultaneously making it tough for affordable, fast, modern japanese cars. but with the big breakthroughs made in drifting, and with rising popularity of events like superlap etc things are definitely improving. and there is no doubt it's fun. :P

Fight the power (raises fist) :D

Here's me wondering why at the last event my entry had a big red stamp on it that said "TO BE AUDITED"...went over my car with a fine tooth comb looking for faults and non compliance on safety gear. Then after the 1st run i was instructed to go straight to scruiteneering before returning to the pit bay...why?...fuel testing!!

My car is fully compliant as well as my race suit, harness, helmet etc...so they had nothing...hehe :P

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yeah it's pretty bad and doesn't bode well for the future of the sport that's for sure.

there certainly has been a battle in circuit racing too as a lot of the odle worlde crowd at the top of the heap had a big interest in keeping things nice for old cars. and simultaneously making it tough for affordable, fast, modern japanese cars. but with the big breakthroughs made in drifting, and with rising popularity of events like superlap etc things are definitely improving. and there is no doubt it's fun. :D

Improved Production is a classic example of this.

Improved Production is a classic example of this.

exactly. the old guard ensure regs favour the old cars they and their friends own, love and have invested heavily in. look at the size and scope of historics too, and look at the very interesting cut-off dates for the classes that basically exclude nearly everything japanese (as they only really kicked on in a big way from the 80s and with turbo cars in the late 80s-90s).

we both know how competitive GTSTs, GTRs, Supras, FD RX7s, MR2 turbos, etc could be in certain classes but the regs are there to exclude them, or if they are allowed the regs un-fairly penalise them.

late model 80s-90s japanese turbo cars are about as welcome in australian motor racing as an american soldier in Afghanistan.... and that goes for both grass roots amatuer type events all the way through state and national competitions too. but as I said things are improving little by little. :D

yesterday we did a comparison dyno test with a car tuned on Roo16 and E85

of course the tune had to be changed to give the same afr's, but was running the same boost and timing....no difference!!

you would swear it was a back to back run without changing anything...no wonder the mega dollar per litre race fuel manufacturers are in a panic. You can achieve the same power output and curve using a fuel $11 per litre cheaper.

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Not to side with the establishment but I was talking to someone the the other day that raised this point .

What about the class structures as in petrol classes rather than alcohol classes , E85 having bit of both would be in no mans land wouldn't it ?

Just food for thought ?

Cheers A .

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