2011 F1 Thread

[ctjet]

If they brought back refueling, i think you could give DRS the flick

[wolverine]

Refueling.

I hate seeing every car driving 8sec off their quali time and then pacing themselves throughout the race.

[djr81]

Whilst I think DRS is a bit hot and cold...tyres? I personally would like to see team do whatever they thing is best with regards to fuel loads, tyre wear, revs and hp etc. But you have to say the rules at the moment are working pretty good. Quicker cars can clear slower cars easier, yet normally they still have to race to get the job done with cars of similar pace

I figure when it gets to the point that teams wont run in qualifying there is something fundamentally wrong with either the tyre design or the allocation or both. Plus it makes Pirelli look like muppets which must be wonderful for them given how much coin they would be spending.

[djr81]

If they brought back refueling, i think you could give DRS the flick

Refueling.

I hate seeing every car driving 8sec off their quali time and then pacing themselves throughout the race.

You two are kidding surely? Refuelling is rubbish on the following grounds:

It costs squillions to cart all that crap around the world.

The car set ups are fundamentally less compromised as you dont need to make a car work on high & low fuel loads. which makes the racing more predictable.

The racing is even more dire as no one bothers over taking they just wait for the pit stops and pump in some quick laps.

[sh@un]

you can't please all the people all of the time

or when it comes to F1, any of the people any of the time

[wolverine]

The car set ups are fundamentally less compromised as you dont need to make a car work on high & low fuel loads.

Going from 160kg to 1kg with the current fuel levels requires no compromise?!?!

[djr81]

Going from 160kg to 1kg with the current fuel levels requires no compromise?!?!

Good trolling.

Quote someone without context & take the relative reference in the said quote & make it absolute.

Win, win.

[sh@un]

I think he may have genuinely misunderstood what you meant.

[wolverine]

Good trolling.

Quote someone without context & take the relative reference in the said quote & make it absolute.

Win, win.

If in doubt quote the bit that suits and use it in your own context I say. (I am moving into federal politics next year btw.)

I unreservedly apologise for any misunderstanding and have assumed the position

[Galois]

The problem is the aero packages, not the cheap fixes. F1 would be more interesting given any new condition or rule or gadget, like having tyres last the whole race, that was briefly interesting lol. I think having two different tyres makes the racing great, it'd be better if people could take the gamble and one stop on the slower tyre, or 3-4 stop on the faster tyre, with both strategies finishing side by side. It'd fore more on track overtaking.

But while dirty air is the main problem with close fighting, bandaid fixes are all the fia seems to want to do. I mean wasn't it only 2-3 years ago that you had to be 3 seconds a lap faster than the car in front to pass? That was ridiculous...

[sh@un]

Bit of trivia in the down time-

Q: Who is the second most successful GP engine manufacturer?

(answer may surprise)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines

[ctjet]

Is their really a lot of difference between a 'Honda' and a 'Mugen Honda'?

[Whiplash]

Bit of trivia in the down time-

Q: Who is the second most successful GP engine manufacturer?

(answer may surprise)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines

not really as Ford was cosworth up until it was sold in 2004ish

[Galois]

Slightly surprising that merc comes in at 4th...

Edit: Just remembered McLaren wasn't always mercedes powered.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Galois

[sh@un]

Is their really a lot of difference between a 'Honda' and a 'Mugen Honda'?

I remember reading the somewhat winding story about that connection a while back, but seem to remember it involves the Honda family and some drama/espionage. bit boring really.

Slightly surprising that merc comes in at 4th...

Edit: Just remembered McLaren wasn't always mercedes powered.

lolwut?

McLaren have had heeeaps of different engine suppliers.

Tidbit: Chrysler/Lamborghini almost ended up as an engine supplier, and the team built a modified MP4/8 to test their 3.5 V12 in

[Galois]

^I was just reading about that (good old wiki). More tidbits: they went with Peugeot instead, but after a year of poor performance changed to the mercedes engines.

Interesting reading

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren

[Marlin]

Some of you blokes must be young enough to make me jealous..... Referring to Wiki rather than remembering it first hand

[Galois]

Erm, yeah about that... I do honestly wish I was watching cars that could follow eachother and properly duel, rather than all this dirty air crap. I do watch every race with my dad who constantly refers to the older years before I started following lol

[sh@un]

^I was just reading about that (good old wiki). More tidbits: they went with Peugeot instead, but after a year of poor performance changed to the mercedes engines

Yes- Went from a 3.5L Ford-Cosworth V8 in '93 to a Peugeot V10 for '94; Which my McLaren history book tells me made 100hp more (740) from the same capacity than the V8 did.

[JAS-25T]

Finally booked Melb 2012.

im in kents!