Jump to content
SAU Community

Blackbox Ecu (M3)

CLNSKY

By CLNSKY,
in Engines & Forced Induction

 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 73
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Piggaz
Piggaz

Rightio. I have the first GTR version in my car at the moment (more may have been put in since). I went from a PFC to the Link G4 and the driveability difference was amazing. Now having the Blackbox

Aggroman
Aggroman

ur an idiot.. please go away

XKLABA
XKLABA

I 2nd this, Marko decided his current comp wasn't up to the job he had for it and wanted to upgrade to something that will do what he wants and the BB fit that bill and I'd say that's why he get it I

Dose Pipe Sutututu Grand Master

Dose Pipe Sutututu

Posted
Posted

I was surprised too. There are no cough's, splutters, 'funny idle' moments.

Unfortunately, it doesn't have the "name" or "marketing machine" as some of the better known ECU's out there, so some might turn their nose up at it.

I am confused when you say you were surprised there's no coughs/splutters/funny idle, etc... a decent ECU that has throttle enrichment and fuel cut on decel functionality should be able to eliminate all of these (depends on the tuner too).

Even a base model adaptronics can be tuned/tweaked so that a car will behave like stock, heck even a dinosaur 1990s tech PowerFC has those features

Piggaz Grand Master

Piggaz

Posted
Posted

I am confused when you say you were surprised there's no coughs/splutters/funny idle, etc... a decent ECU that has throttle enrichment and fuel cut on decel functionality should be able to eliminate all of these (depends on the tuner too).

Even a base model adaptronics can be tuned/tweaked so that a car will behave like stock, heck even a dinosaur 1990s tech PowerFC has those features

With the FC, I always had a 'miss' under light load taking off from lights. I'm not the only one that had/has this issue. There was a thread made about that specifically.
Piggaz Grand Master

Piggaz

Posted
Posted

^ interesting, maybe it's a dual AFM thing.. then again PowerFCs are becoming less popular :)

I know Steveo had the same issue on his D Jetro too.

Either way, both the Link and the Blackbox belts the 'driveability' of a FC out of the water. The stuff you can't see on a dyno is quite often overlooked/forgotten about/ or simply not known about if you haven't had anything better.

  • 3 months later...
GTR_JOEY Grand Master

GTR_JOEY

Posted
Posted

little bit of a thread dig,

just wanted to vouch for the drivability of the black box, the throttle response is insane, ive currently got a link and I noticed the difference straight away when I jumped in Pauls car (we both also have the same injectors, crank trigger, ignition system and we both use yavuz at unigroup)

... as stated above... the black box is to a link G4, as a link G4 is to a power fc

  • 3 months later...
  • 2 weeks later...
Marko R1 Grand Master

Marko R1

Posted
Posted

Hi guys,

I have had the power fc on 3 other GTR's in the past and agree about the glitch I experienced across all 3 accounts.

I now have a vipec and at the juncture where I'm reaching the limits of the unit...I've ran out of inputs as I need more than one for the ECA and boost switch. I've also Exceeded the limits of the map sensor as it only supports 2.5bar = 22psi (I'm moving to a flex tune).

For these reasons I'm going to the blackbox and after talking to Yavus, I was informed that the technical advantages is that you have control on fuel temperature compensation + the sequential ignition is dedicated to each coil pack via 6 dedicated outputs (rather than sharing each ignition output across 2 coil packs).

The M3 is a scalable ECU.

Hope that helps for all looking for information.

KiwiRS4T Grand Master

KiwiRS4T

Posted
Posted

Hi guys,

I have had the power fc on 3 other GTR's in the past and agree about the glitch I experienced across all 3 accounts.

I now have a vipec and at the juncture where I'm reaching the limits of the unit...I've ran out of inputs as I need more than one for the ECA and boost switch. I've also Exceeded the limits of the map sensor as it only supports 2.5bar = 22psi (I'm moving to a flex tune).

For these reasons I'm going to the blackbox and after talking to Yavus, I was informed that the technical advantages is that you have control on fuel temperature compensation + the sequential ignition is dedicated to each coil pack via 6 dedicated outputs (rather than sharing each ignition output across 2 coil packs).

The M3 is a scalable ECU.

Hope that helps for all looking for information.

I take it you have the plugin version. The wire in version is gruntier all round but I don't know if it has the number of inputs that you require. My installer puts in a 3 bar MAP sensor as a matter of course as the built in one is very limited as you say. Let us know how you get on with the black box!
Lithium Grand Master

Lithium

Posted
Posted

Hi guys,

I have had the power fc on 3 other GTR's in the past and agree about the glitch I experienced across all 3 accounts.

I now have a vipec and at the juncture where I'm reaching the limits of the unit...I've ran out of inputs as I need more than one for the ECA and boost switch. I've also Exceeded the limits of the map sensor as it only supports 2.5bar = 22psi (I'm moving to a flex tune).

For these reasons I'm going to the blackbox and after talking to Yavus, I was informed that the technical advantages is that you have control on fuel temperature compensation + the sequential ignition is dedicated to each coil pack via 6 dedicated outputs (rather than sharing each ignition output across 2 coil packs).

The M3 is a scalable ECU.

Hope that helps for all looking for information.

Fwiw, for the sake of people reading through - those are limitations for a plug-in ECU... if you had an "Extreme" or "V88" then you would have more inputs, the option of a higher pressure map sensor (I actually think the plugins come with more than 2.5bar now too, though could be wrong), and you can map fuel temperature compensation - though you only have limited overlay tables so it depends on how much your tuner has utilised, and it can also drive each coil pack and injector separately.

Marko R1 Grand Master

Marko R1

Posted
Posted

Thanks for highlighting guys, yes it is a plug-in version.

Are the Extreme and V88 versions plug-in or wire-in? For me personally, I would only consider a plug-in being a street car.

Minimal implementation = short turnaround time for go-live = win win!

(I need to take my IT hat off hehe)

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • The Bogan
      NC MX5

      By The Bogan · Posted

      Yeah, it's getting like that, my daughter is coming over on Thursday to help me remove the bonnet so I can install the Carbuilders underbonnet stuff,  I might get her to give me a hand and remove the hardtop, maybe, because on really hot days the detachable hardtop helps the aircon keep the interior cool, the heat just punches straight through to rag top I also don't have enough hair for the "wind in the hair" experience, so there is that....LOL
    • joshuaho96
      Cas issue

      By joshuaho96 · Posted

      Could be falling edge/rising edge is set wrong. Are you getting sync errors?
    • joshuaho96
      Jacks that fit under GTR lips that can reach the subframe?

      By joshuaho96 · Posted

      On BMWs what I do because I'm more confident that I can't instantly crush the pinch welds and do thousands of USD in chassis damage is use a set of rubber jacking pads designed to protect the chassis/plastic adapter and raise a corner of the car, place the aforementioned 2x12 inch wooden planks under a tire, drop the car, then this normally gives me enough clearance to get to the front central jack point. If you don't need it to be a ramp it only needs to be 1-1.5 feet long. On my R33 I do not trust the pinch welds to tolerate any of this so I drive up on the ramps. Before then when I had to get a new floor jack that no longer cleared the front lip I removed it to get enough clearance to put the jack under it. Once you're on the ramps once you simply never let the car down to the ground. It lives on the ramps or on jack stands.
    • GTSBoy
      Mistakes were made, my R34 Story

      By GTSBoy · Posted

      Nah. You need 2x taps for anything that you cannot pass the tap all the way through. And even then, there's a point in response to the above which I will come back to. The 2x taps are 1x tapered for starting, and 1x plug tap for working to the bottom of blind holes. That block's port is effectively a blind hole from the perspective of the tap. The tapered tap/tapered thread response. You don't ever leave a female hole tapered. They are supposed to be parallel, hence the wide section of a tapered tap being parallel, the existince of plug taps, etc. The male is tapered so that it will eventually get too fat for the female thread, and yes, there is some risk if the tapped length of the female hole doesn't offer enough threads, that it will not lock up very nicely. But you can always buzz off the extra length on the male thread, and the tape is very good at adding bulk to the joint.
    • Duncan
      Mistakes were made, my R34 Story

      By Duncan · Posted

      Nice....looking forward to that update
×
×
  • Create New...