ZT-R Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Yea, i just wanna be clear I'm not blaming RIPS or anything for this. Robbie has been emailing back and forth trying to figure it out. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6951265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 It certainly looks like one of those unfortunate things. I do love that Zed, one of the nicest I have ever seen. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6951325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoota_77 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Please, please, please post the results. This is the greatest fear of all fresh engine rebuilds (apart from blowing up on first start!) so I personally would love to know what went wrong so we can all be more vigilant in certain areas when building our engines. Hopefully it's something simple like oil surge from a lack of baffling in the sump or something like that. Best of luck with finding the cause. Even worse than than the result is not finding something that categorically caused the fault, leading to having to rebuild it and hope for the best.... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6951348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchum Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 what was the bearing clearance set at? What bearings where used? What did Rob see that might have caused an issue? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6951513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZT-R Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Not sure. The pan is baffled with external pickup on a tomei pump modified for external pickup. I might go back to internal pickup since this happened anyway. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6952339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYTSKY Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 #@R32GOJIRA This guy is looking for a new RB30 crank. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6953691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKLABA Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Not sure. The pan is baffled with external pickup on a tomei pump modified for external pickup. I might go back to internal pickup since this happened anyway. could there be a possible air leak in the external pickup to the pump or where it connects to the pump I've done an external pickup on my 26/30 as well and went to great lengths to make sure there are no possible leaks especially in the fittings this is really just an idea for something to look at, the external pickup IMO is a better way to do it on a rb2630 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6953700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtr jet Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I had the same thing happen in my freshly built 26. I was driving one day and bounced off the limiter a couple of times in the wet but I didn't really think much of it, I'm guessing the crank may have had some starvation at this point though. Started the car about 2 weeks later and it spun a bearing in the driveway. When the engine was stripped it turned out the bearing clearances weren't correct. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6953979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZT-R Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Been getting some pic request, so i will just post a few here. 2 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6954850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 man that is nice!~ Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6954860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon-S14 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 very cool car! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6955030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZT-R Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 Just going to put it back together and blow it up. Here I am deburring the block. I should have took more pics of this before. As far as castings go it was pretty flaky. I the corner you could drag a pick over it and get shavings/casting grit, whatever you want to call it to come off. Mains back together, everthing was mixed down to the tens of thousands and confirmed by plastiguage, just to be sure. 2-5 rods back in, kept number 6 out so i could balance the new rod to the old ones. The new rod was 4 grams heavier. Now its 0 grams heavier. Builders typically call within 4 grams "Balanced". Quick laugh using my "Specialty" dead blow. Kind of Ironic looking. Number one after 20+ mic jobs by me and double checked by 4 other machinist. we found 2 tenths of a thousdanth of taper that was it. no out of round or anything. This was the loosest. Everything elese was .00018 vs .00020, which is really what i would rather see on all of them with this big ass tomei oil pump. Number 1 rod was plastigauged every 45 degrees of rotation too, cause why not... All ring gaps where checked while at it. All good. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6970794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoota_77 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Ha ha, awesome deadblow. That's dedication, getting you're own hammer made! Joke..... Like I said before, it sucks when there's no clear cut reason for the failure.... I'd definately look at your oil supply while it's out. I can't remember if you mentioned about an aftermarket sump baffle? Definately put one in if you haven't. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6971096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiR_RB Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 did you end up cleaning the block thouroughly before putting it back together to remove any bearing remains etc from oil galleries Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6971197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke gtr Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 did you end up cleaning the block thouroughly before putting it back together to remove any bearing remains etc from oil galleriesthis.also, clean the galleries in the crank? is it grub screwed so you can clean it? as I was saying in my first post in this thread, looks like there was something in the crank galleries to the first rod. The remaining damage looks to be from that initial damage. if the crank wasnt cleaned properly, it may have had some remnants that stopped the oil flow. also, nice tool box. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6972341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYTSKY Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 For a RIPS engine you would think you get main studs instead of the stock bolts, no? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6973437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke gtr Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 For a RIPS engine you would think you get main studs instead of the stock bolts, no?they are an option arnt they? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6973492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZT-R Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Robbie doesnt use them on the 1400hp engines he runs either, im sure they are an option, but im not pumping huge power. Yes i have a trap door and all that in the oil pan, ill try to post a picture later. Yes i took the crank out and polished it and hot tanked the block then when it came back i went through it quite well myself too. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6973907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke gtr Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I like your updates. fingers crossed this time you have many miles of trouble free motoring. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6974403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZT-R Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 WTF are these? i found 1 in my oil pan and on in my head. They are not the oil restrictors, i checked that. i searched high and low, maybe a part of a valve spring but they look to straight to be something like that. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429382-spun-rod-bearing-in-fully-built-rb30/page/3/#findComment-6974779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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