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GTRNUR Grand Master

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Simple... A small electric syphon pump. I considered going that way too until I realised a syphon works fine on a Y fitting inside the tank if your return has a high flow rate.

Any serious track car is probably running an under car surge tank too, keeps the fumes, fuel and danger out of the boot.

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XKLABA
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The one in Tims link looks good Do not get a Weldon ,lol my Weldon is an awesome piece of gear, great flow for low amps and will pretty much pump anything but should come with ear plugs And ear muff

scotty nm35
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Yeh Peter, I have the 1500hp pump here I am still planning to fit to the Stagea. I saw their PWM output regs, they should work well together. Much better idea than running the PWM output from the Ha

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Just found this interesting clip on the Fuelab 42402 pumps with the 52902 electronic regulators, nice to see a integrated package now, just set the base fuel pressure and walk away, no fiddling with f

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Simple... A small electric syphon pump. I considered going that way too until I realised a syphon works fine on a Y fitting inside the tank if your return has a high flow rate.

Any serious track car is probably running an under car surge tank too, keeps the fumes, fuel and danger out of the boot.

While that's probably an easy option, the cars in question I'm talking about (4 I know of), all run the same setup and don't have a jet/syphon pump. They run twin in tank pumps with a custom top hat that has two fuel lines running all the way to the fuel rail. All have been tracked and all have gotten low tanks and zero issues with surging / running out of fuel. Does this Jet Pump really work as well as we think it does?

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I have an under car surge, 2 044s at near on full snot and it returns from the surge through the factory return. This set up at 13.8v should support over 1000hp on race gas qnd come bloody close on corn juice. It is fed from the stock location pump. It works because 1000's of people before us have developed systems and they're trial and error is well documented. Don't need to reinvent the wheel.

GTRNUR Grand Master

GTRNUR

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Does this Jet Pump really work as well as we think it does?

With an entirely in tank setup, if you try and push too much fuel through the syphon jet it will not work properly or at all.

Not to mention your fuel pressure goes out of control due to back pressure in the return line.

I'm using a pump jet on one side of a Y fitting inside the tank.

How well does it work? Well with the tank on empty and running both pumps, it was back to 1/4 after about 1-2 minutes of pump operation.

Piggaz Grand Master

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I have an under car surge, 2 044s at near on full snot and it returns from the surge through the factory return. This set up at 13.8v should support over 1000hp on race gas qnd come bloody close on corn juice. It is fed from the stock location pump. It works because 1000's of people before us have developed systems and they're trial and error is well documented. Don't need to reinvent the wheel.

One problem, the 044's don't last on E85.

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Piggaz Grand Master

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Been through 6 in total.

First failure was the primary pump got lazy. The secondary covered it when it come online. Picked it up by a fuel pressure gauge and AFR gauge.

Replaced both...

Second set,same thing.

Third set, can't really remember... But enough to crack it and throw it all in the bin.

044's DO NOT last under E85 conditions. If you don't have gauges and running them, you're asking for trouble.

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Had a bad issue with high fuel pressure in my gt four with a Walbro e85 pump. My factory fuel return hose had a restrictor in it (scottynm35 has seen one in a S15 before). This was an R34 RB25DE model, I now have a Stagea DET engine in it.

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So did anyone end up using the Holley dominators?

What's the general consensus on a fuel system e85 compatible that will handle 450-500kw in a 32 Gtr. I wanna do it once and do it properly.

I've been advised to go a Holley dominator from the tuner, he said we can stage the pumps and run a sensor from the ecu to keep an eye on fuel flow. They have installed a few and he seems to like them but there is no long term usage at this stage.

The car currently has a nismo intank. Will be looking for a new pump to match with the new 1550 xpurts I will be getting.

The Mafia Grand Master

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So did anyone end up using the Holley dominators?

What's the general consensus on a fuel system e85 compatible that will handle 450-500kw in a 32 Gtr. I wanna do it once and do it properly.

I've been advised to go a Holley dominator from the tuner, he said we can stage the pumps and run a sensor from the ecu to keep an eye on fuel flow. They have installed a few and he seems to like them but there is no long term usage at this stage.

The car currently has a nismo intank. Will be looking for a new pump to match with the new 1550 xpurts I will be getting.

Stay away from the Holley dominator - They have had a high failure rate.

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Marko R1 Grand Master

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Hi Guys,

I finally replaced my OEM in tank lift pump with a walbro 460ltr in tank. Quiet as a mouse :)

Had it on the dyno and we couldn't tune it with more than 15psi...as the boost increases and demands more fuel pressure - the fuel pressure was dropping off.

I am still running the OEM wiring harness with the added relay, however, as the pump draws up to 20amps, I was told that I need to run a thicker gauge wire direct from the battery to achieve 14v at full load.

My question is this (btw, it's an r32 gtr)...can I run the thicker gauge wire to the top of the 'top hat' on the fuel tank (i.e. direct to the Anderson plug) OR do I also need to replace the wiring between the fuel pump itself and the underside of the top hat? From memory, the underside of the top hat also runs an Anderson plug. Has anyone else running a walbro experienced similar voltage issues to myself? From memory, SIR RB runs a walbro in tank as well.

I'll also replace the fuel filter in the engine bay for piece of mind as this may be a catayst to drop in fuel pressure.

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Have a 32 gtr and just replaced a walbro 255lph pump with a walbro 460. I also rewired the pump with 8 gauge wiring.

Previous pump on stock wiring was getting 8.8v on idle. New pump and rewire and now getting 13.3v at idle.

 

Walbro site has a table on voltages and lph rates. Interesting to look at. 

 

The pump shouldnt be dropping pressure. You either have a leak or a faulty fuel reg

 

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Marko R1 Grand Master

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Thanks for the feedback. Did you run 8 gauge to the top hat only (on top of the fuel tank) or did u go direct to the fuel pump? 

If I'm not getting the voltage I need, the fuel pressure will not be up for the task and this is what I am experiencing. My tuner is certain that this is the issue. My fuel reg was fine with my previous setup (i.e. OEM lift pump with external 044 which ran power direct from batt) so I don't think it's the fuel reg.

 

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