BlackBox Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) I plan on testing the balance of the balancer however with the same amount of material being removed on all sides it should not too be much out of the original balance.I would be interested in the results from this, modifying the factory balancer could save $700+ I have the ross 32-2 teeth setup with the standard CAS for phasing There are plenty of kits floating around the world ATM, but it is always good to see someone else's approach to this issue You just use the input that would normally read the crank angle output from the factory CAS, it just has to be programable Are you saying the factory cas can be retained and the signal just has to be modified so it can be interpreted? .. I'm not sold on the design of the cam trigger finger, but everything else looks great Edited January 1, 2015 by BlackBox Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayis Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'll let you know once i've found someone to balance it for me. The factory CAS could be used in theory just as a reference. The factory CAS disk has 360 outer slots and from memory a single inner ring for the reference. Me either at this stage. I'm happy with just using a steel bolt on the adjustable CAM gear however I thought people would like something universal without the need for a aftermarket cam gear however I guess in the scheme of things having to spend $300 on a pair of gears isn't a bit deal. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayis Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'm thinking something like this will be the winner. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
89CAL Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 That looks much better Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayis Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 That's good; I'm currently printing the prototype. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
89CAL Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 same sensor setup? or will you have to make a different bracket for the cam angle sensor? had a look in the link software for setting timing. Looks quite easy Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKLABA Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Are you saying the factory cas can be retained and the signal just has to be modified so it can be interpreted? .. I'm not sold on the design of the cam trigger finger, but everything else looks great Nah I didn't have to touch the stock Cas just pick up the crank signal at the ECU plug and run a new wire to the crank trigger then change the settings in the cam/phase settings to read the 6 different sized slots in the ECU, it has an event counter it phases from The new design cam wheel looks heaps better 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayis Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 Thanks First 3d print didn't go to plan and I came back to a mess so it's just started again and have 5 and a bit hours to go. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRPSI Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Nah I didn't have to touch the stock Cas just pick up the crank signal at the ECU plug and run a new wire to the crank trigger then change the settings in the cam/phase settings to read the 6 different sized slots in the ECU, it has an event counter it phases from The new design cam wheel looks heaps better Thats what always had me wondering why people were putting a new sensor on the cam, factory one already has it for cam position phasing, just dont use the signal from the 360 outer slots and run a wire like you did from the crank trigger. Makes life so much simpler. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBox Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 If somebody could describe how to do this in a bit more detail I would be extremely appreciative, (pm if necessary don't want to deviate too much more) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 If somebody could describe how to do this in a bit more detail I would be extremely appreciative, (pm if necessary don't want to deviate too much more) You'd need a different ECU. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBox Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Could it be done with Haltec platinum pro? Which is what I plan on going Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Could be done with just about any aftermarket ECU. Definitely the Haltec Platinum. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKLABA Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 If somebody could describe how to do this in a bit more detail I would be extremely appreciative, (pm if necessary don't want to deviate too much more) The FC can't do this, I would be a little suprised if even the top Haltech could do it, interested to know if it can for sure Easiest way with the FC is get a 36-2 trigger wheel with the missing teeth @ 85deg after TDC and the convertor box from Ross to convert the trigger wheel signal to what the FC will read, can also be used with stock and Nistune ECUs Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBox Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I plan on scraping the PFC for a new ECU anyway.. I thought the PFC had no issues with timing fluctuations anyway, and it was just the newer ecu's Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTR_JOEY Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 That makes no sense The ECU only works as well as the hard wear giving it reference Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBox Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I understand that but I have read many posts sayin that it's a problem only with the newer ECU, because of the optical sensor and the speed of the new ecu's.. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 That makes no sense The ECU only works as well as the hard wear giving it reference I understand that but I have read many posts sayin that it's a problem only with the newer ECU, because of the optical sensor and the speed of the new ecu's.. The concencus of the recent discussion (in another thread not far from here) was that older, slower ECUs are not seeeing (all) the timing fluctuations that the newer faster ones are. There may be some placebo involved iin that findiing, because the comparisons may not be sufficiently scientific (ie, same car, same timing belt, same CAS, just the ECU changed). But it is distinctly possible that it is true. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7453742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayis Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Final Cam Trigger wheel design. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7454066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Is that going to have a separate washer/spacer behind it? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/452152-open-source-rb-trigger-kit/page/6/#findComment-7454075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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