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Nismo 3.2ish Grand Master

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The way the E85 gets chewed up on spirited drives, a drum , 200 odd Lt ( 3.5 tanks ish) would not last much longer than 2 to 6 months if you drive it 3 times a month. Depends on what you call going for a drive is. Either way I doubt you would have a condensation problem.

Just have to wonder when you buy it from the station how old it is before you buy it ?

I was worried about the E85 I bought before I had to put my car in for some work and had it for over 8 months in 20Lt containers , tipped it in and off it went, just have to love those flex fuel sensors :)

"If" I used E85 all of the time 200lt would not last much more than a month or 2 at the most. But it is good to use 98 pump , then run it close to empty and when the 85 goes in you can get the full benefit of the difference :)

If I did not DRIVE the car, I would not even buy E85, it is a pain getting it where I live but it is so much better than 98, see Paul, you win :)

No Crust Racing Grand Master

No Crust Racing

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My car is a weekend only 2-3 times driven a month.

I bought some ethanol treatment for condensation so I'm more worried about the safety of transporting a drum full on its side in the back of the Territory.

I also bought and e85 tester so I'll be able to at least see what the content is.

CEF33Y Experienced

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I wasn't planning on removing the drum from the car, the bung is pretty serious so I can't see it leaking when the drum is next to new, it also can't be filled up past the bung anyway when on its side.

When filling jerry cans, its always recommended to put them on the ground, (due to static elec i think) So filling the drum, thats in the back of you're car, nope, would not do. Plus, as above, Its illegal.

Local servo actually has still shots of its camera's of some bloke filling a jerry in the back of his ute, and it catches alight, scary stuff!

From a quick google search, the total fuel you're allowed to carry with a car is 250l, including car's fuel tank, and It has to be mounted outside the car.

http://www.whatsupdownunder.com.au/News/Tips-Hints/Carrying-Extra-Fuel/Jerry-Cans-February-2015

No idea how accurate this is though.

scotty nm35 Grand Master

scotty nm35

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I bought some ethanol treatment for condensation so I'm more worried about the safety of transporting a drum full on its side in the back of the Territory.

This is funny, mainly because Ethanol/Methanol is the treatment for most moisture issues. There is no way moisture will ever be a problem in a sealed container, and even if by some chance you managed to pour a cup of water into the drum, or left the lid off in a rain storm, the ethanol would quickly absorb the moisture and get rid of it from your tank, rather than letting it sit and rust. That amount of water evenly distributed in the tank would barely change the tune, I doubt an AFR gauge would read the difference.

I have used 2 year old United fuel from a customers car, he was too worried to run it and wanted me to drain the tank for fresh fuel to tune with. I poured it straight into the Evo running 32psi, no issues. AFR's perfect, ethanol percentage within 1% of what they were originally. If you tried that with 98 you wouldn't get far, hence why I am so amused when this discussion pops up each few months.

I've been running straight e85 for over 7 years now, never changed back, never touched my fuel system, never used stabilisers either. The only down side I have noticed is less K's to a tank. Any other ethanol myth is generally false. I prefer not to run the ethanol content sensor at this stage because as GTSboy mentioned they can lead you up the garden path, and it's another sensor to fail affecting the tune.

Dan, if you need it I have my old E85 205L oil drum I never use anymore, it has a servo hose and nozzle fitted. If you are interested I can send a pic. I just use 20L's these days, but I have 4 United servos selling e85 within 5 K's now.

No Crust Racing Grand Master

No Crust Racing

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When filling jerry cans, its always recommended to put them on the ground, (due to static elec i think) So filling the drum, thats in the back of you're car, nope, would not do. Plus, as above, Its illegal.

Local servo actually has still shots of its camera's of some bloke filling a jerry in the back of his ute, and it catches alight, scary stuff!

From a quick google search, the total fuel you're allowed to carry with a car is 250l, including car's fuel tank, and It has to be mounted outside the car.

http://www.whatsupdownunder.com.au/News/Tips-Hints/Carrying-Extra-Fuel/Jerry-Cans-February-2015

No idea how accurate this is though.

I'm on the phone with RTA as we speak rather than working of google searches, which I've also been doing :)

I've also seen the stuff about static, you simply need to earth yourself, the drum/nozzle etc. I'm also not going to be wearing synthetic clothing or holding my phone.

This is funny, mainly because Ethanol/Methanol is the treatment for most moisture issues. There is no way moisture will ever be a problem in a sealed container, and even if by some chance you managed to pour a cup of water into the drum, or left the lid off in a rain storm, the ethanol would quickly absorb the moisture and get rid of it from your tank, rather than letting it sit and rust. That amount of water evenly distributed in the tank would barely change the tune, I doubt an AFR gauge would read the difference.

I have used 2 year old United fuel from a customers car, he was too worried to run it and wanted me to drain the tank for fresh fuel to tune with. I poured it straight into the Evo running 32psi, no issues. AFR's perfect, ethanol percentage within 1% of what they were originally. If you tried that with 98 you wouldn't get far, hence why I am so amused when this discussion pops up each few months.

I've been running straight e85 for over 7 years now, never changed back, never touched my fuel system, never used stabilisers either. The only down side I have noticed is less K's to a tank. Any other ethanol myth is generally false. I prefer not to run the ethanol content sensor at this stage because as GTSboy mentioned they can lead you up the garden path, and it's another sensor to fail affecting the tune.

Dan, if you need it I have my old E85 205L oil drum I never use anymore, it has a servo hose and nozzle fitted. If you are interested I can send a pic. I just use 20L's these days, but I have 4 United servos selling e85 within 5 K's now.

For $20, happy to throw it in, not a big deal.

Would be interested to see that drum. I've got a drum but your nozzle setup sounds interesting.

No Crust Racing Grand Master

No Crust Racing

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Just got off the phone.

I can LEGALLY have a FULL drum IN the car. Any more than a drum and it must be trailered, placarded with dangersou goods signage and you need a license but a single drum is LEGAL

Must be secured and he advised me about the risks of ignition and fuel vapors.

Windows will be down, will drive slower than usual, will employ ratchet straps.

This information is specific to NSW, I have no idea about other states.

No Crust Racing Grand Master

No Crust Racing

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The issue becomes if the service station will allow me to fill it in the back of the car, given once full I would not be able to lift it by myself.

Earthing shouldn't be an issue as I can just use an earthing lead from the drum to an earthing point in the car/to the pump.

Alternatively I may need to just borrow a bunch of jerry cans from my mates and fill those instead.

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Dose Pipe Sutututu Grand Master

Dose Pipe Sutututu

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I got pulled up for filling a plastic Jerry in the back of ute. Two chances filling up a 44 in an SUV.

Interesting, I regularly fill up 4x jerry cans and my R33 shit box and no one has ever stopped me though?

XKLABA Grand Master

XKLABA

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Heavy vehicles have 1000+ litres in multiple tanks, including belly tanks under trailers with no placards etc. Also a lot of Earth moving companies use portable storage tanks in Utes without problems

as a earthmover that has a big arse truck I will say this is incorrect, my truck has only one 400l tank and it does have a placard and so does the excavator which is only 110l

Also contrary to popular belief diesel in not flammable, it is a combustible liquid so the same rules may not apply

Edit: if your desiel is flammable stop buying from that servo

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