Starting again

[GTSBoy]

25 minutes ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

at least on E85 you would get about 450km per tank... if that's some kind of unit of measure.

Yeah. I'd need it for the extra miles required to get to and from the handful of E85 outlets.**

**Not quite true. But the sparseness of them is good enough reason to stay on 98, for me at least.

[r32-25t]

98 dirty garbage, everything except fuel economy is better with e85 

[GTSBoy]

19 minutes ago, r32-25t said:

everything except fuel economy

And the lack of ubiquitous availability. If it was less likely that I'd run out of fuel while trying to cross the crime zone, I'd probably be all over it.

[Kinkstaah]

And P R I C E.

I love 98.

10kw loss

20% cheaper for a liter, 30+% more range per km, and available everywhere 

[r32-25t]

A few servos in bankstown are currently making e85 cheaper again

[MBS206]

23 hours ago, GTSBoy said:

And the lack of ubiquitous availability. If it was less likely that I'd run out of fuel while trying to cross the crime zone, I'd probably be all over it.

This is why you flex fuel it...

[GTSBoy]

2 minutes ago, MBS206 said:

This is why you flex fuel it...

It's a valid point. And it is doable with the Nistune. But I'm not inclined to flex it the way Nistune does - certainly not on a Neo ECU. They're already pernickety enough to tune just one one fuel. And of course, I'm not that interested in putting in a Link or similar, on a daily. With the stock ECU, stock looking turbo, etc etc, I still stand a chance of surviving a run-in with the plod. Last time it went over the pits (which was for the transplant, for because of a run-in with the plod), the Nistuned ECU did not even raise an eyebrow. They want to see a stock ECU running the engine, and they are happy to see it do so without the check engine light** on. Never mind that the Nistune is necessary to make the stock ECU work in a different chassis without ABS, TCS, etc.

**And they actually provoke the CEL to come on by disconnecting the AFM, to prove that the globe hasn't been pulled!

[Kinkstaah]

My car is also flex tuned.

It's worth mentioning it (the LS1 ECU) has a 1D table for E85 addition and just uses the ethanol stoich part as the second point of reference.

It also as a 3D timing map for Ethanol adjustment. You would think this isn't enough but it works pretty damn well.

That said, I wouldn't want it in turbo application. It's like lifting non-natty, or taking meth. It gets you unrealistic results that break down more things going forward. If people used it to make the same amount of power they do on 98 then it'd be one thing. But people use it, crank it up to eleventy million PSI, it doesn't knock - but it pushes the point of failure to another, more expensive thing to break.

Every time I see someone make 280kw on 98 and 350kw on E85 on the same equipment I just cry a bit and really wish they would just stay on 98 in that exact scenario. It's bad for you. 

[MBS206]

4 hours ago, GTSBoy said:

It's a valid point. And it is doable with the Nistune. But I'm not inclined to flex it the way Nistune does - certainly not on a Neo ECU. They're already pernickety enough to tune just one one fuel. And of course, I'm not that interested in putting in a Link or similar, on a daily. With the stock ECU, stock looking turbo, etc etc, I still stand a chance of surviving a run-in with the plod. Last time it went over the pits (which was for the transplant, for because of a run-in with the plod), the Nistuned ECU did not even raise an eyebrow. They want to see a stock ECU running the engine, and they are happy to see it do so without the check engine light** on. Never mind that the Nistune is necessary to make the stock ECU work in a different chassis without ABS, TCS, etc.

**And they actually provoke the CEL to come on by disconnecting the AFM, to prove that the globe hasn't been pulled!

Do they always do it from the AFM?

If so... You know what I'm already thinking I reckon...

[Murray_Calavera]

4 hours ago, Kinkstaah said:

Every time I see someone make 280kw on 98 and 350kw on E85 on the same equipment I just cry a bit and really wish they would just stay on 98 in that exact scenario. It's bad for you. 

I do this, I also don't get the joke  

[GTSBoy]

3 hours ago, MBS206 said:

You know what I'm already thinking I reckon.

Oh, it's been done. You just run a wire out there and back.

But they have been known to do coolant temp sensors, MAP sensors, etc. They're not silly (at Regency Park) and know what's what with all the different cars.